Bogus Mini-stock Rule

See, now that is what a FORUM and these threads are all about. Its good to see the system works, whether we get a change or not!
 
marty, would you consider approaching bobby for a meeting? shannon, i hope you know i support you and feel you have earned the right to be on top of the game so don't get down on your racing. if no one is pickin at you you arent winnin. just except it as a complement and keep on going. your a super nice guy and a great racer, as for as your car being totaly leagel i don't have a clue but know several other ford boys that would like to know your secret....wolfs too... lol brian
 
i think it would be a good idea to have this rule for the chevy guys it dont give u a advantage it would give you reliabilaty to stay together though hope that they can get something worked out though but good luck to you guys friday night hope they race and its not boat races cya brian#3
 
Ok not that I have a lot of room to really speak on the matter, I would love to see us being able to use the aftermarket rods as long as its for strength and not performance. My dad and I are currently trying to finish a new motor that like everyone else is notorious for rods breaking. Brian, Marty, Steve, Bill and everyone else if you will back this situation then I will talk to bobby this friday if we get to race. My dad and I have already said that we would only waste blowing one of these but if they would make the rod change then I would be interestd in trying to build another for next year just because I would have the secuirty that its not going to blow a rod through the side of the block. So get back with me and let me know. If you want to call me on the matter my cell phone is always available (573) 631-7491. Thanks guys :cool:
 
Well , I have set hear and listen to this for a quite afew days bitting my tongue well I am going to put my 2 cents to this when the class started out we had to pull 15 pounds of vaccum at I beleive 8000 rpm's then we threw out that rule. I dont think you all know the meaning of STOCK this what goes wrong with these classes of races racers just want to get more and more then you out price the sport of racing. So then what are you going to when you only have 3 mini stocks like the pro mods. If you want after market rods buy a pro mod they need some more.
 
This is suppose to be an entry level stock class. And most of the time these classes do get out of hand. But if you are talking money here, its cheaper to buy a good set of rods and build one motor than use stock and build three. Plus at the same time they CHANGED the original rule to allow them( for DRR) they gave the Ford boys an adjustable and light weight cam gear. Never come out on a stock vehicle that I know of. And there is many benefits for the Ford guys to have this. I'll bet most of them don't want you to know why! It is good to have adjustable cam timing but do the majority of the people even know what the biggest benefit for having this is?
 
Tom, to me one of the biggest reasons to be able to use those aftermarket rods is simple: SAFETY! Just ask Marty and Shannon. Both have had those rods snap and BOOM! It's not like it's a big (if any) performance enhancing thing.

Sorry about the picture Marty, but it sure helps prove a point...
 

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The point I was making in my last post was about the cam gears for the Fords. There is a big advantage in a certain area if you can use one of those and most people don't know what it is. And it is not a stock item. That was going out to whoever Flamewarrior is. I keep hearing people go on about stock this and stock that, if you are going to keep it stock, keep it stock for everybody. And I am refering to DRR rules at this point. Having that gear can let you get away with doing some things that are clearly illegal by DRR rules but I doubt if the tech guys have the equipment to check for such a violation. Would it not be a good idea to make them illegal on this point alone?
 
Millsey, thanks a photos :eek: worth a 1,000 words. That was the engine I won 5 features with last year and was totally GM rotating assy. and look what happen @ 5,900 RPM on my tell-tell tach. Good aftermarket steel rods would have kept that from happening. I would have been able to finish the season, instead I was done by June!
PWRacing: Flamewarrior owns & races a Ford Mustang. It was a 24 Gordon look-a-like, now it's green with 47? on it.
The rods the Ford guy get to run have been proven in factory Turbo SVO Mustangs/ Turbo T-Birds to hold up to 180HP in stock production trim and turn 8,000 RPM.
The rods the GM guys are stuck with are 6" and where only in the 2.5L and the most it ever produced was 110HP in 91-93. GM says anything over 5,500 RPM is DANGER ZONE for these rods.
If we can't help the GM's stay together to give them a chance to race with the FORDS we should just go ahead and change the name to PONY STOCKS instead of MINI STOCKS.
As far as the adjustable cam gear thats allowed on the 2.3L, It allows them to raise or lower their Torque Curve! Just ask yourself is that for durabilty or performance :rolleyes: .
The steel aftermarket rods we would like to have is to help the 2.5L live and maybe stay together @ 5,900 RPM's not to gain HP.

Marty Boyer 52 RAMS
 
SO far I only read one post that say's no most other's (includeing ford guys) don't have a problem with the aftermarket rods as lond as they are stock length and weight.. so chevy guy's get you fact together and go to the powers to be and present it in a respectable manner...
 
Here is something else that is bothering me. If you can run DRR with their rules and RAMS rules, how do you know who is cheating? Can you use what is convenient for your application out of both sets of rules? Example: you have to weigh 2500lbs with both places. You can run an aftermarket intake with RAMS but not with DRR. Does that mean you can run it at DRR or not? Maybe I need to go to some meetings. Just don't nobody bring any tar and feathers! Having two sets of rules is confusing but maybe I have not been well imformed enough to know what we can and cannot do. If we are to stay in this class, I would like to get it all clarified before next season, if it all doesn't get changed again.
 
I don't even want to tackle that one because I can see where that will open up a whole new can of worms. But that's definitely an interesting question. But from what I understand you have to conform to Doe Run rules first. It was decided durring the winter rules meeting that if you wanted to run at Doe Run weekly you could accumulate RAMS points and the same for MCS. MCS is running strictly under RAMS rules with the exception of 1 track rule which is a mandatory scatter shield. And really it's not that hard to be DRR legal as well as RAMS legal. And so far it's worked well for the point system that's in place for this year. BUT I think it's one of those things where every year the RAMS are going to have to look at what rule changes each track makes and go from there as far as how the season itself is approached. This is the 1st year that the RAMS didn't have a traveling schedule because a majority of the members that were at the January meeting didn't want to travel, they just wanted to run their home track and still get RAMS points. Now if MCS throws in the run a Ford in a Chevy or whatever rule then I think the RAMS need to look at possibly doing things different for next year and being DRR legal and RAMS legal may be a totally different issue.

I'm not sure that I helped you out with your question, maybe muddied things up more. :D
 
No, you cannot run it at DRR (if you are also a RAMS member competing for RAMS points). You have to be legal in both sets of rules. If the rules differ in any areas, you have to take the "lesser" of the two (for lack of better words) in order to stay legal within both sets of rules. It definitely would be MUCH easier for ALL tracks running the mini-stocks to go by the SAME set of rules, but unfortunately that hasn't happened yet. And, honestly, I'm not sure it ever will. Did this help any?
 
Yeah, I guess so. So basically if you are going to run DRR exclusivley just be sure you conform to their rules and its all good. If you want to go to MCS, you would be able to make a few changes and be alright.
 
Yep, that pretty much covers it. My nephew drives the #21 S-10 ministock at Doe Run and we just change gears to go to MCS.
 
yep or the other rule if you run a muffler at doe run and want to take it off to run mcs is okay but if you run mcs all the time and want to run doe run you would have to put a muffler on... here a perfect example
my car last year comformed to rams rules now If I wanted to run doe run last year I would have been illegal in these area's

1) I have rear jack weights on a leaf spring car
2) aftermarket intake
well after I blew one motor the intake was taken care of
but the suspesion kept me from running doe run witch I had 2 chance's (rain out at the rock)
 
If it is the same length and weight as a stock rod, what could it hurt by letting them run them? It will help them keep the motor together and keep the car count up.
 
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