bryanracing55
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Hay have any samples we can tryout seems to me we might as well bend the rules too. Just kidding we pride ourself on even making the show and going home safe and happy.
Dirt on Dirt says Bloomquist suspended for 6 months by Woo
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BloomerJeepFan
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I did not say Scott cheated. Maybe the other way around - Why would he cheat when he knows they are going to check him? Also, if it was legitimate testing why did it take nearly 3 weeks for the decision to be made?
We sat in his hauler with him and crew until 4A Saturday morning at Charlotte. I would think if he had altered his tires and he already knew they had them he would not have been in as good as mood as he was in.
In addition, as has been said there are many drivers out there who are cheating, so if he did cheat, I am sure he won't be the last as long as they don't pick and choose on testing. I know for one they don't always test the tires as they say. At one of the big races this summer (and I won't say what track) they were to test the top 3. They tested Scott's tires and one of the other driver's. As they came into the pits they were with Scott's car and the other driver's car, but not the 3rd car. (not saying how they finished) We went to the other pit area and the officials never came over there to get the tires. "Who said life was fair"
We sat in his hauler with him and crew until 4A Saturday morning at Charlotte. I would think if he had altered his tires and he already knew they had them he would not have been in as good as mood as he was in.
In addition, as has been said there are many drivers out there who are cheating, so if he did cheat, I am sure he won't be the last as long as they don't pick and choose on testing. I know for one they don't always test the tires as they say. At one of the big races this summer (and I won't say what track) they were to test the top 3. They tested Scott's tires and one of the other driver's. As they came into the pits they were with Scott's car and the other driver's car, but not the 3rd car. (not saying how they finished) We went to the other pit area and the officials never came over there to get the tires. "Who said life was fair"
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
Hay have any samples we can tryout seems to me we might as well bend the rules too. Just kidding we pride ourself on even making the show and going home safe and happy.
Yeah I'll hook ya up
.....and no I'm not Scott's supplier.bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
And if they say it's undetectable then it was undetectable at that time. Labs improve their technology just like tire prep guys. It's a chess game folks, if you sit still on the stuff you have then boom, check mate.
PITDRIFTER
Motorsports
I just can't see how anyone can think they can fool a lab. Testing a tire for treatment would seem like childs play compared to other things labs do. JMO
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
You pay a lab to test tires yourself. You work with a chemist to develop a chemical reaction that you are trying to achieve. All while trying to make it undetectable. That is why the undetectable prep is FAR FAR FAR more expensive than the ordinary or traditional preps.
PITDRIFTER
Motorsports
I guess it's possible.
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
It is if you are willing to pay the bill, it can be pricey.
PITDRIFTER
Motorsports
Well, that's kinda what I was thinking. I don't know the money these companies are making, but I assume it is enough to invest that much into. Would seem like a crap shoot. Sales of something billed as undetectable would have to drop when it comes out that it actually can be detected. Nevertheless, like I said before, I'd rather them police this more on the local level than on the professional level.
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
Well think of it this way, a typical gallon of prep costs around 80-90 dollars. The undetectable stuff is usually 3 times that. It isn't a crap shoot really though, people will pay it. This is why I have said from the start, get rid of the rule. These guys are going to do it whether it's legal or illegal. It's a competitive advantage. If they made it legal it would be way cheaper on the racers, and then the guys that won't cheat can use it without selling their moral values. Of course I would benefit from that, but so would they. How will this kill the sport if everyone can do it???? Bottom line, it won't.
COBRAII
Active Member
How will it help the sport if every one can do it? I'm sure the EPA Nazis would love another reason to go after local racing..... I'm pretty much convinced this is all about feeding your own ego.
I think the massive suspensions and fines that will be handed out in 2010 will be what slows the momentum on this problem.
As sanctioning bodies work with tire manufacturers to have exact components of what makes up the tires, the independent labs that test for chemicals will be able to tell the sanctioning body exactly what is in the tire that shouldn't be there.
As sanctioning bodies work with tire manufacturers to have exact components of what makes up the tires, the independent labs that test for chemicals will be able to tell the sanctioning body exactly what is in the tire that shouldn't be there.
bryanracing55
New Member
Ya but Dee in your post #58 you say you personaly seen them check his tires "94 out of 95% of the time and that he " has a pretty good bet he will get cought" so your realy saying IF he puts doped up tires on he knows he going to get cought? Right? So at Lowes did he get cought? Yes. So he knew what he was doing. or was it an oops wrong tires?
Now you say he will not cheat when he knows they are going to check him but again you say he gets checked almost every race?
Now his tires are on dope? Dang drugs can't get away from them.
YES I guess everyone cheats it's just again he got cought. Bad luck maybe they need to leave him alone and check his other cars.
Now you say he will not cheat when he knows they are going to check him but again you say he gets checked almost every race?
Now his tires are on dope? Dang drugs can't get away from them.
YES I guess everyone cheats it's just again he got cought. Bad luck maybe they need to leave him alone and check his other cars.
bryanracing55
New Member
Oh just to be fair I'm not bashing the guy, I once was a big fan of his back in the mid 80's when he was on dope not his tires.
He is a heck of a driver and knows his chit and your right a lot of people do cheat but you might want to pass this on to him since your in the click. Let him know he is not a good roll model to up coming drivers that look up to him. Don't think he realy cares what I think but thats ok. now on to other things.
He is a heck of a driver and knows his chit and your right a lot of people do cheat but you might want to pass this on to him since your in the click. Let him know he is not a good roll model to up coming drivers that look up to him. Don't think he realy cares what I think but thats ok. now on to other things.
dirt hound
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maybe hoosier tire needs to talk to bleed blue and scotty
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bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
It won't help the sport, and it won't hurt the sport. What it will do is level the playing field if everyone could afford to do it. This has nothing to do with ego. I have never said on here that I'm the best at anything. Some of the people I work with know far more than I do, but I know my share.
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
Dirt Hound, will you put up all of the kart brand tires (ie maxxis, burris, firestone, vega, dunlop, etc.) that also put out the same disclaimer??? We prep those as well, and we are allowed to by the various different kart sanctioning bodies. So please don't use that excuse. Could it be that they put those out so they don't run into a lawsuit???
dirt hound
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Guess what bleed stock cars don't run on burris etc have a nice day
