Fulton going UMP?

westlingracing said:
They would love more latemodels but they cant afford to pay a purse. the same situation happened at LaMonte 20+ cars every friday. But not enough people in the stands to pay the purse.
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Sorry your miss informed about LA Raceway. They dropped the Late Models due to it being run late every night. Not that they couldn't support the purse. They wanted to be over at a certin time and with running the Late Models they just couldn't do it. Since they were there on a trial basis to begin with, they got the axe.

Also the place was packed every night they had them so it wasn't not enough people in the stands.

You also have to remeber that they run Limited Late Models at Callaway. Not the Super Late Models. All the tracks in Missouri have been struggling with the Limited Late Model Class. I don't think any track has had over 15 cars in one show all year. That includes Wheatland CMS Valley Callawy and Winston. Those are the only tracks that I know of that run the Limited Late Models.
 
I'm conserned about Fulton switching to Hoosier tires. I was hoping that all the Friday tracks would stick to their tire rules and drive teh Hoosiers out of Eldon. Before I get started I'd like to remind Dirt Hound that I'm not attacking his Hoosiers. I just would like to stick to a single tire rule in west/central Missouri. Alot of Kansas City cars would run at Eldon especially at the end of the year (since CMS ends so early) if they ran on American Racers. Heck we might've ran Pevely this weekend if we wouldn't have had to buy tires that we won't neccesarily use again.
 
You can't get rid of hoosiers. Like mel said in the drivers meeting at MCS last week "people like to spend there money" Besides a soft tire hides driving ability or the lack of.
 
i agree and disagree with mels statement modfan,there is a time when soft tires are good and there is a time when the hard tires are good as well.you can win on either of these tires...the hoosiers will hook more yes,but they also go away quicker..the americans are hard as a rock and last all year....i like the idea of the hooseirs,will spend more money in tire bill but will also get the car hooked a little better,and be able to go other places without buying a new set of tires...
 
Going other places with hoosiers depends on the direction east and south okay, north or west you'll need american racers.
If you have the ability you can make a soft tire last thru a short race if you don't have ability it will go away on you. Either way your buying a right rear after the night's over and maybe a left. If everyone is on a hard tire you have to have ability to be fast, instead of just being fast until your soft tire goes away.
With money you save on tires you can spend it on the rest of your racing program.
 
I don't know how mod tires wear but I do know that If I run a soft or hard Hoosier Street stock tire at MCS it is lucky to last 2 nights on the rear. I ran Brand new tires at Fulton (1 hard and 1 soft) the other night and didn't even wear the dimples off of them. What a smooth fast track....
 
I usually travel around a lot on the weekends and attend the races every night at a different track. I usually go in the pits and hear a lot of rumors and see a lot of different stuff. First off, Mel Kinnard has been going to the Friday night races at Callaway Raceways on and off since he opened his track at Montgomery. I'm sure he could look things over almost completely unnoticed because nobody there knew who he was. I always wondered why he didn't try to get Callaway to work with him. I think it would be a great idea. Maybe he has tried and they won't. They are two of the closest located tracks in east central Missouri and they run on back to back nights. I would think they would want to work together. I have heard(rumors) for years that Callaway has been in money trouble. UMP could be its saving grace. Besides, just look at the driver standings on the Callaway website. Several St. Louis area drivers have already run there some this year. Mike Null Jr. run there quite a bit earlier in the season. He was there nearly every week for the first couple of months. Shawn Rayfield made an appearance as did John Hobson, Joe Creason, Terry McClintock and Bob Bizelli. Also, you have to drive by Fulton to get to Lake Ozark Speedway and (although I haven't been there much) it looks as though some of the STL area drivers are running there too. They already have Hoosier Tires on everything there. Capital Speedway always shared several of the same cars with Callaway which Lake Ozark does now. However, it has split quite a bit more than it used to be. Many of the old Capital racers are only going to Lake Ozark. 24 Raceway in Moberly also figures in a bit as to what Callaway will do. They share alot of the cars with Callaway. It will be interesting to see what happens. It has its pros and cons but I'd say UMP or just allowing Hoosiers would be beneficial to Callaway Raceways.
 
dab73 i totally agree with you and yes some of us at callaway have noticed mel..i tell you callaway has some of the best racing in the state.the track is smooth as davis said,it stays tacky most of the night,it really is a track you would want the hoosiers on.alot of racers from st.louis and illinois have been running there,the poeple and owners are great,as well as the track and workers.i know the owners personally,and i can tell you that they are going to the HOOSIER TIRES,but will not be ump sanction.as i said you will be able to run american or hoosier tires either or...i think it will bring more cars to the area and make for even better racing...some of the countrys best drivers have come to this track and love it,including the usmts circuit...i do think it would be a good thing if MCS and callaway worked together,i have never asked the owners opinion on that but i think i might...as far as callaway having money troubles,i dont think that is right,this is a family owned track.3 brothers went in three ways to build the track,it is pretty much payed for and built on their own land so i doubt the money troubles are there,however i dont know their personal financial settings..all i can say is i cant wait for the .04 season i think there are alot of good things in store for callaway...
 
I don't think that Hoosier tires will catch on as well as you think in Central Missouri. Most of the tracks still remember running the McCreary 82-8 tires in the early and middle 90s. These were as far as I can tell a better tire than the UMP modified tire. They were about as sticky and lasted longer (especially the early ones). The thing is that they got burned when the remigration of IMCA tires started spreading back across from the Monett and Joplin areas and back down from Iowa. For a couple of years you had to own two sets of tires. If Hoosier tires become prevalent you will have the same thing again. As for the person saying that you can run Hoosiers more places. That is just plain false. It is true in St. Louis, but this conversation is about the Fulton area. In Central Missouri the American Racer tire is still dominant, because those areas require Kansas City cars to make their fields the same way that MCS needs St. Louis cars to field theirs. As for Eldon the other Friday night tracks most definentily run American Racers. That is Bolivar, LaMonte, Sedalia, Lakeside, and Midway all run the American Racers. Fulton would be the only one.
 
you are right layne but fulton will still allow the american tires,they are going to allow both hoosier and american so you dont have to own another set of tires.they are just going to hoosiers to allow more st.louis are cars to come to fulton and for fulton cars to be able to go to st.louis tracks as well...
 
Sounds like they are getting together a good plan. I hope it brings them a lot of cars. I haven't been as involved this season as I'm not sponsoring or owning any cars at the moment but I've still kept tabs on what is going on in and around the Callaway, 24 Raceway and Lake Ozark(old Capital) crowd of racers. Just like to see things go in the right direction and it sounds like Callaway is doing the right thing. I've always enjoyed Callaway alot, never had any real problems there. Could maybe stand a bit more light in the pits and better PA equipment but still a nice and open bunch of people. They do a fine job of maintaining the track (it was really heavy last Friday!). Now they just need to get the county to pave the roads to the track and put up some bigger signage. Also, I don't know about money troubles either. Just a rumor I had heard in the pits. I know it is tough running ANY business and what some folks consider money troubles is just the art of breaking even. Sometimes if you're doing that you're doing fine. Now I'm psyched about next year! Have to see what happens. Any changes to the classes that you know of? They were running all kinds of different stuff there Friday. What was with those Mini-Late Models? They were cool!
 
ok dab i just had the owner at my house(hunting)....they are gonna allow the soft hoosiers,and if you wanna still run americans you can,so either or is fine..they are also going to get a new p.a system as the one they had shot craps this weekend after the races....they will be running everything they had this year and they have added the 4 banger class permanantly...the mini late models were just there playin however yes they were pretty cool.there also sounds like there are gonna be alot more mods next year and a few more late models,so i think 2005 looks very good.i asked about the money situation and they said there is no way they are gonna shut down or sale so that answers the money question,they did say it wasnt a good year due to alot of rainouts but they arent hurting...have any other questions feel free to ask,be glad to answer as much as i can,come say hi next year when your there,ill be in the number 94 dirtworks mod,and my brother in the number 21..we also have a late model #17..have a good one!!!!
 
Well if they are running Hoosiers you will have to have them to be competitive unless you were for some reason running a 50 lapper on a glass slick surface and knew a way to keep the AR from glazing over.
 
maninmo84 said:
Sorry your miss informed about LA Raceway. They dropped the Late Models due to it being run late every night. Not that they couldn't support the purse. They wanted to be over at a certin time and with running the Late Models they just couldn't do it. Since they were there on a trial basis to begin with, they got the axe.

Also the place was packed every night they had them so it wasn't not enough people in the stands.

You also have to remeber that they run Limited Late Models at Callaway. Not the Super Late Models. All the tracks in Missouri have been struggling with the Limited Late Model Class. I don't think any track has had over 15 cars in one show all year. That includes Wheatland CMS Valley Callawy and Winston. Those are the only tracks that I know of that run the Limited Late Models.
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I was told that by someone who attended there during the beginning of the season that was the reason. I really wanted to run there from the feedback from others. I just want a friday show to run somewhere within a hundred miles from fulton. looks like Quincy is gonna do it on Sunday. Any Idea who may give it a try on fridays? Guess LA was just the wrong ones to try. I'd like to try Sedalia myself, but not as many cars for some reason and they didnt commit to run them either. any insite what we could expect with Super lates next year would be great.
Thanks
 
With all the discussion about the rules at Fulton, I thought I'd get the 2004 rules off their website. I've included only the rules that differ--as far as I'm aware--from UMP rules. I've deleted the "obvious" rules--no point in making everyone slog through "driveshafts must be painted white" or "numbers must be 18 inches high" :)

6.) TIRES: McCreary EC2, American Racer or Hoosier D-55. Grooving and sipping allowed.

7.) ALUMINUM TUBING ALLOWED BUT NOT ON THE ROLL CAGE, AND IF YOU USE ALUMINUM TUBING YOU HAVE TO ADD 50 POUNDS OF WEIGHT TO YOUR CAR. WHICH MAKES THE MINIMUM CAR WEIGHT AFTER RACE TO 2550.


12.) REAREND: Floater or quick change is legal. If quick change has aluminum tubes, minimum car weight at end of race will be 2500 pounds; 2550 with aluminum tubing.

19.) ENGINES: All engines must have steelheads. No roller cams. No dry sump oil systems. May run one (2) two-barrel or one (4) four-barrel carburetor. Carburetor adapter not to exceed one inch.

24.) Minimum weights after race is 2500 pounds, 2550 pounds with Aluminum tubing. No tolerance.
 
also might i add that those are not the pro modified rules they are the limited late model rules.......
 
racer94, Thanks for the info! Sounds like good stuff. Yeah the PA crapped out pretty early in the evening. I saw a guy carrying one past the stands right when I got there. I am usually somewhere around with either with the 24 street stock, 77 Modified, 66 B-Mod, 39 B-Mod or the 40 Dwarf. They are the local boys up here around Vandalia. That car with the duct tape 6 in the b-mods last week was my old car. I sold it earlier in the year. Never even ran it.

westlingracing, you may want to check with Quincy Raceways. I think they run IMCA Late Models (SPEC MOTORS!) Unless you've just recently read or heard something about them changing they were running specs the last time I was up there. You could ask Denny Woodworth. He runs Godfrey on Fridays, Montgomery on Saturdays and Quincy on Sundays but he has a different car at Quincy. He'd be one that would know.
 
racer94 said:
also might i add that those are not the pro modified rules they are the limited late model rules.......
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Good point. I just assumed everyone knew we were refering to LMs. Thanks. :)
 
lol brandon,fulton actually runs ump style pro mod rules,just didnt want the big mouth dirthound to think that the pro mods at fulton were steel headed motors.they are all aluminum horses!!!the limiteds would be a awesome class if they could get more cars,my brother bought one to keep them going and try to help get the count up so we will see how many there are next year....
 
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