HOFFMAN1D
Member
As long as it is factual,why shouldnt he?
hey bleedblue
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As long as it is factual,why shouldnt he?
Revin
Moderator
Neither Nick Geisiking or his Products are welcome at Tri-City Speedway!
Why do we need this service or products to race today?
These are our 2011 rules concerning tires:
TIRES
1 - A Tri-City Speedway Official can CONFISCATE or take samples of any tire on any night to be
evaluated and returned within a reasonable period of time.
2 – ANYONE FOUND WITH an ILLEGAL TIRE or TIRES WILL RECEIVE A 1 YEAR
SUSPENSION FROM ALL TRI-CITY SPEEDWAY EVENTS! NO EXCEPTIONS!
Kevin Gundaker
Why do we need this service or products to race today?
These are our 2011 rules concerning tires:
TIRES
1 - A Tri-City Speedway Official can CONFISCATE or take samples of any tire on any night to be
evaluated and returned within a reasonable period of time.
2 – ANYONE FOUND WITH an ILLEGAL TIRE or TIRES WILL RECEIVE A 1 YEAR
SUSPENSION FROM ALL TRI-CITY SPEEDWAY EVENTS! NO EXCEPTIONS!
Kevin Gundaker
Babbfan02
Babbfan02
THANK you kevin, at least someone has acted upon this other than Jimmy bringing it up.
Kermit the Frog
Well-Known Member
has anyone taken into cosideration that maybe he isnt even doing anything to the tires and thats why they cant catch him it might be just a mental advantage you just think you have an advantage so you feel better i dont know why else they cant detect it i cant belive bloomquist cant afford the undetectable stuff and he got caught just a thought
Jimmy Cummins
CEO, Cummins Lumber Co.
this is just retarded.
cutting tires is an advantage, get the exess rubber off and see how heat effects them, they can be profiled and shaped anyway you want them, how many people have ever mounted up a hoosier tire, spun it, and it was actually round? and flat across the surface? racing karts without cut and prepped tires, your lapped traffic. Clean your tires with Castrol super clean or WD 40 and see what you have, yes, WD 40.
Its such a wide open subject, Just like shock rules.
Now,, if someone is going so far to change the cast in lettering on the sidewalls,,, thats taking it to the extreme, thats counterfieting. The only way your going to controll tires is if you do what nascar does and give them there tires that weekend for the race,, no way that could ever happen.
Im against tire prep, but theres no way to controll it
Its such a wide open subject, Just like shock rules.
Now,, if someone is going so far to change the cast in lettering on the sidewalls,,, thats taking it to the extreme, thats counterfieting. The only way your going to controll tires is if you do what nascar does and give them there tires that weekend for the race,, no way that could ever happen.
Im against tire prep, but theres no way to controll it
racin90
Well-Known Member
Thank you Kevin.
who's next
New Member
I still think your a great guy Nick.I agree with Cummins,this is retarded!
t.nie
Patience Tester
He's been regularly advertising on STLRACING for a long time. Not sure that you can "call someone out" for what they are already doing out in the open anyway. On your website.j So it could be said that even you aren't a true "friend of racing" because you allow this person to promote their products on your website. As someone else said, this thread has probably done a lot to generate even more interest in what he does, not less.
And banning him from tracks, etc, so what? Racers just go by and see the guy where he is, and you never know what's going on anyway.
Stuff that you can't police, you may as well just make legal so it takes the cost out of it. Make the best tire prep stuff legal and someone will sell it for a price everyone can afford and then EVERYONE can have it, so nobody has that advantage any more. Pretty simple really. Police it, and if you can't, make it legal so the cost comes down and it's no longer an issue and people move onto the next thing to cheat with. Tires seem like the last area where a huge advantage can be gained for not much money. So find a cheater prep compound that is environmentally friendly, works the best, and make that affordable and legal.
SLIDINDIRTY
We do it dirty
Best post on this yet! Just a side note: You should make sure your favorite mod driver(s) aren't using the product before you make such a big deal.
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
t.nie,
I've tried to do that and most of the sanctioning bodies wouldn't listen to me. They will tell you that their major issues are the environment and driver safety. I stated the facts, gave the info they wanted and even gave them my chemists phone number(which he was willing go work with them too). Even after all that they turned their nose up at it. I've never exposed a driver, I've never exposed a sanctioning body(I've said sanctioning body, but never which one), and also never exeposed a guy who posts on here and has used prep(you know who you are) and bad talks the subject and me.
I was talking to one of my older customers when I went to the Show Me this year, not a local customer. He was telling me about when his dad used to race and how they used to soak their tires in turpentine and diesel fuel. I mean these things were marshmallows when they were done. Now that wasn't safe, I don't do that kind of stuff. Everything I sell and use is EPA friendly, non carcinogen based, non solvent based, they are the safest they could possibly be. Nothing is completely safe, not even water, but it's as close as it gets.
If you guys don't feel I'm a friend of the sport so be it, I think I am. I worked with a guy last year for the first time, he told me at the beginning of the year that he went through about 50 tires a year. Between cutting and prepping of the tires he only went through about 15 tires last year. We sat down and figured up that he saved $3,000 on his tire bill. That doesn't make me the enemy on my mind.
I've tried to do that and most of the sanctioning bodies wouldn't listen to me. They will tell you that their major issues are the environment and driver safety. I stated the facts, gave the info they wanted and even gave them my chemists phone number(which he was willing go work with them too). Even after all that they turned their nose up at it. I've never exposed a driver, I've never exposed a sanctioning body(I've said sanctioning body, but never which one), and also never exeposed a guy who posts on here and has used prep(you know who you are) and bad talks the subject and me.
I was talking to one of my older customers when I went to the Show Me this year, not a local customer. He was telling me about when his dad used to race and how they used to soak their tires in turpentine and diesel fuel. I mean these things were marshmallows when they were done. Now that wasn't safe, I don't do that kind of stuff. Everything I sell and use is EPA friendly, non carcinogen based, non solvent based, they are the safest they could possibly be. Nothing is completely safe, not even water, but it's as close as it gets.
If you guys don't feel I'm a friend of the sport so be it, I think I am. I worked with a guy last year for the first time, he told me at the beginning of the year that he went through about 50 tires a year. Between cutting and prepping of the tires he only went through about 15 tires last year. We sat down and figured up that he saved $3,000 on his tire bill. That doesn't make me the enemy on my mind.
Hard Lefts
Active Member
Nice post, what are you, eleven? I would expect a much more thought out articulate response from a "genius". If there are people cheating the only course of action that is respectable was the one Jimmy took, call them out. Even though Nick Gieseking obviously has no integrity or moral fortitude you still call a spade a spade. Jmo
this is not a new issue. UMP officials were made aware of this several yrs. ago. calls were to other sanctioning bodies about findings and testing procedures. Their (UMP) stance was its not that big of a deal. not that many were doing it. EPA doesnt seem to get too excited either. maybe someone should really do a little research on the matter berfore fingers get broken from being pointed in the wrong direction. JMO, Dale.
racin90
Well-Known Member
Todd...welcome back. Not agreeing with you...but we all have our beliefs. This is why im against it all together. Id say reason why organizations wont allow preps is this............do so and every tom dick or harry will be in their garage with thinners...........solvents...and simple green slicking their tires up and it will be chaos to say the least. Nick will be wondering why the balloon popped and tracks will be closing. Ask Kevin Gundacker why he wont allow preps. Its not because solely its cheating and agaisnt the rules mandated by UMP. Its also because........if preps are found to be on his lot............he is liable for cleanup and dispose of the stuff. Soil and all. He has enough to worry about engines blowing up and fuel spills. I see Belleville someone must have gotten caught cheating as they posted results will be amended. Waiting for an answer on that. There are no easy answers and best thing to do is not allow it and everyone move on. Even karts(google that!) are getting away from preps.
racin90
Well-Known Member
Ive been to over 100 EPA classes on hazmat and ill tell you this.......its being watched and more than you think. They are trying to let the organizations deal with it. If it continues that guys keep getting popped...........we will all be sitting home with nowhere to race. And that is a fact.
COBRAII
Active Member
Kinda what I was thinking, put the tire in the lathe get it round and profiled..and magically its prepped and undetectable. One compound only racing would make it easier to police and narrow the gap from the money guys to the budget racer as well.
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
Morals? You think this is what this is all about? You think UMP won't work with me because I have no morals? If you want to call a spade a spade then let's do it.
Everything I'm going to say I've never seen on paperwork, I've never seen personally, and I don't have documented evidence. I have a person close to the situation and that's where it has come from. Maybe my next mission will be to expose who has morals and who doesn't.
UMP receives $25 dollars per tire that is sold through Hoosier. Every track recieves an additional $5,000 per year from Hoosier. That's why UMP won't work with me to extend tire life, that's why the tracks won't let me do what I do and that's probably the root of all of this. You remember when the local tracks were going to eliminate the Emod D40? Well it didn't happen because Hoosier said to them that the contract they had would have to be renogociated and the tracks buckled. Who is the bad guy, maybe we all are. I'm not innocent, I sell and do things that aren't within the rules. Morality is a small percentage of racing, most of the rest is like dealing with the Mafia. There are so many things that go on in the background that most don't even know about.
Everything I'm going to say I've never seen on paperwork, I've never seen personally, and I don't have documented evidence. I have a person close to the situation and that's where it has come from. Maybe my next mission will be to expose who has morals and who doesn't.
UMP receives $25 dollars per tire that is sold through Hoosier. Every track recieves an additional $5,000 per year from Hoosier. That's why UMP won't work with me to extend tire life, that's why the tracks won't let me do what I do and that's probably the root of all of this. You remember when the local tracks were going to eliminate the Emod D40? Well it didn't happen because Hoosier said to them that the contract they had would have to be renogociated and the tracks buckled. Who is the bad guy, maybe we all are. I'm not innocent, I sell and do things that aren't within the rules. Morality is a small percentage of racing, most of the rest is like dealing with the Mafia. There are so many things that go on in the background that most don't even know about.
bleed_blue16
Nick Gieseking
Racin90,
If you have been around the EPA that much then you should understand as long it's not on the ban list and handled and exposed of properly then you should no nothing I use or sell is illegal. It's the customers responsibility to do what's right after I sell it, I can only instruct them of the proper ways.
If you have been around the EPA that much then you should understand as long it's not on the ban list and handled and exposed of properly then you should no nothing I use or sell is illegal. It's the customers responsibility to do what's right after I sell it, I can only instruct them of the proper ways.
