Idea for local classes
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jax-webguy
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Is anyone here familiar with the ULMA that races at Wheatland, Moberly and a few other Missouri tracks? I was just wondering how their formula for crates vs. steel motors is working out... whether it is good racing... and whether it is still somewhat affordable after 6 years or if it has gotten out of hand too.
Not trying to be a jerk or anything but getting rid of the 4 cylinder class is a horrible idea. at quiet a few of the tracks the draw in the largest car count but get paid the least. not only that but its a lot easier to and cheaper to start racing in a 4 cylinder class compared to starting out in any other class.
JD12
C.E.O Davinroy Motorsport
. Ok then let me present it another way if your spending that kind of scratch to run for sportsman purse you are drunk or need to move up. I know what was in championship winning sportsman cars that cost half that retail. If anyone thinks you need to spend that to win in a sportsman your wrong and need to work on set up period.
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I agree to an extent but I'd rather pay more to not ever have a motor problem than to build 3 motors that cost $4k a piece over the same time period, which is what you see happen a lot. But if we are basing costs on payouts then I would say we are all a bunch of dummies for racing. And the cost to win a championship at one track can be a lot different at another.
You have your opinion on it and I have mine...and that's fine. But I wouldn't go calling people cheaters because they spend more money than others.
mudface
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Talking about ways to bring the cost down is a waist of time imo, if the track owners/promoters wanted them cheaper they would just change the rules and do it.... I still think open motors with a rochester 2 barrel is the cheapest way to go,so many used parts out there and it saves on tech and again the engines could be used if one choose's to move up a class with out major changes
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racin90
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I agree pop15. As far as motor dollars go here is my problem........the crate was supposed to be the answer. My problem is i can buy a put together motor from several race companies for under 4000. So the crate is more expensive than what i can build a decent long block for. Thats a problem. No to mention the cheating that goes on with dyno time and other things people do. Im a big fan of making the crate run a chip rule. Why turn it over max spec?? If you do you have put in better springs ect because it should float or drop valves past that. Not to mention your taking time off the life of those motors. They will last forever if taken care of and not over-reved. But still more expensive than buidling a 350 long block with decent parts. I ran a 1800 dollar engine for 5 years. Was it a front runner??Nope. Reworked Dart heads-$500. Napa short block all stock-$900. That cam gaskets oil pan you get too $1800. Ran the best at Godfrey due to handling and driver played more of a key there than did engine horses especially come feature time and i loved it. Actually it blew due to my fault. Ran a chip and never overturned it. You can make a motor last. Its just how much do you want to pay for it and turn it. Lots of good discussions on here and lots of opinions. Im glad at least people are finally seeing maybe they need to tweek UMP rules a bit to keep car counts coming in. Good deal
DIRTCHAMP77
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Our 06 Sportsman motor from D&M Performance in Breese was 8000 with out carb....It was a 383 and never had one single issue!!!! 2 track championships and possible UMP national championship if i had the opportunity to finish out the last 4 point races...These motors should not cost more than that unless the shop labor is just too high....These days people are paying for it thinking the more they spend the faster it will be..Why turn a street stock motor 7000 rpm??? you need to gear a car for best performance off the corner anyways and not how many rpm you turn....makes a motor go boom!!!
mudface
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Back in the Bomber/streetstock erra we builta 355 with hogged out 461 heads topped with a rochester that kicked but and took names and the max rpm was 5500 rpm.some may remember it.. 1970 monte carlo number 65 mac tool sponsored. Street stock.a cheap motor but the car if my memory serves me right the
Fastest it ran was in the high 13 or 14 and won almost everything from the back of the pack back then.but dont hold me to the exact lap times cause its been a long time ago and sure it had a really good driver but point is the motor had a lot of used parts that we bought.again it only turned 5500rpm. And imo one could probly built it today for 3 to 4 grand or cheaper if you was a good shopper. A guy moving up a class would just need to change intake and carb and have decent engine to learn with
Fastest it ran was in the high 13 or 14 and won almost everything from the back of the pack back then.but dont hold me to the exact lap times cause its been a long time ago and sure it had a really good driver but point is the motor had a lot of used parts that we bought.again it only turned 5500rpm. And imo one could probly built it today for 3 to 4 grand or cheaper if you was a good shopper. A guy moving up a class would just need to change intake and carb and have decent engine to learn with
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havoline28
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Crate guys are now spending big money on shocks. If you start a series and you want to keep the cost down then I would be looking at shocks.
