off with spoilers says sammy ump

does ump still have the motor claim rule and if so why is it never used?
 
I'm pretty sure the Hoosier G60 retails for just over $100... Cheaper that the Hoosier EMODS but not quiet in the $82-$85 range..
 
The chip rule is a good idea in general, but it would be hard to police at every track.. Would the track tech man have to go to every mod before and/or after the race and test everyone's MSD box with a lower RPM chip every week? I just see a lot of guys trying to get around this..
 
i was refering to the american racer kk704. mike null told me last week he sells them for $90 a piece, and i had a friend that does some hard tire racing tell me that he bought a few of them at a track this year for $81 each.

i dont think it would be hard to check a chip, you can tell the cars that are screaming their motors and the cars that are not. i see a trend in racing that nobody seems to want to address: less tech, less race cars, less fans in the stands, less places to race.
 
Jimmy Cummins said:
i was refering to the american racer kk704. mike null told me last week he sells them for $90 a piece, and i had a friend that does some hard tire racing tell me that he bought a few of them at a track this year for $81 each.

i dont think it would be hard to check a chip, you can tell the cars that are screaming their motors and the cars that are not. i see a trend in racing that nobody seems to want to address: less tech, less race cars, less fans in the stands, less places to race.
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Ive said that many of times too.....chip rule is the way to go. Id say 6500-6800. You can tell if someone is rapping their motros beyond that and it takes dolars to make them do that. Stock rods and cranks will be ok at 6500. Been there....done that.......alot.
 
Jimmy Cummins said:
i was refering to the american racer kk704. mike null told me last week he sells them for $90 a piece, and i had a friend that does some hard tire racing tell me that he bought a few of them at a track this year for $81 each.

i dont think it would be hard to check a chip, you can tell the cars that are screaming their motors and the cars that are not. i see a trend in racing that nobody seems to want to address: less tech, less race cars, less fans in the stands, less places to race.
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And these tires would last forever and make everyone drive instead of out horsepowering each other.
 
chip rule would be simple. make all MSD boxes mounted in a location for easy access for an outside official and out of reach of strapped in driver. all cars get a chip from the track before races (like a transponder) and its checked after each race at the scales. have a tester at the scales to plug the chip into make sure its marked correctly. if time is a concern, only scale the top X amount.
 
Mark Voigt doesn't think that it is too much of an inconvenience to check rev limiters and chips before and after each and every one of his PCRA races. It's not too difficult to see which tracks, sanctioning bodies, and promotors actually care about keeping the racing fair and which ones don't. I'm not saying that a chip rule is the answer, just that it has to be, by far, the easiest rule out there to tech.
 
We already have a class for crate engines,and if you want a car that has less horsepower you can run a bmod or sportsman! Leave the mods the way they are,people make a big deal about high horsepower engines,and most of the time it is not an issue!
 
Check the chips of the top 4 when they are on the scales.. Not that hard to take one panel off and peek inside.. and make them show memory of tach to make sure they didnt label and 8000 with a 10000.. Wow that was hard.
 
dtman said:
what the heck is the deal here what needs to be done is make it so the mods are not so expensive
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Don't race one!!!! Hoffman1d is right... It's not always about the HP Everyone complained about the cost of the sportsman at Highland, now you have the "Sportmod" if the cost of running an AMod is to much you now have an option... Question is if the Amod car count drops to under 15 a night will Highland abandon the class like they did the sportsman?
 
The class has been over priced for the last 10 years.... the high dollar teams will always out dollar the owner driver teams. It's the same way in every class. So pick the class you can afford and have fun doing it. UMP is not going to change the class so guy's that shouldn't be in the class can afford to race. I don't agee will all the rules.However, nobodies holding a gun to my head and making me race mods.It is what it is.....
 
When I was at Mod Mania this year I was surprised at the guys running Rousch Yates ,Jay Dickens, Dargie engines it just seems crazy to spend that kind of money on engines to run for what modifieds pay.
 
Motors are not the issues.Guys who spend 20k on a 800hp motor in a modified is pointless.We only have a 8 inch wide tire.I seen many guys with a smaller 4k 500hp motor outrun them 800hp engines. Shocks id say just run normal oil afco shocks.put all of us on a hard tire the the big motors will be a more disadvantage. the spoiler wont make no difference when u take them off u slow everyone down not just the big motors
 
The only absolute way to stop the big expencive motors is to claim one!!!! If you don't do it you can't complain about the costs!!!

15.1.1 Engine Claims

A.) Any qualified UMP Modified competitor has the right to claim any engine at any time during an UMP Modified event. To begin the claim a $550.00 fee, plus the agreement to an engine exchange in addition to $50.00 for the tow truck operator. All claims do not include: flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, bell housing, headers, carburetor, starter, fan & pulleys, motor mount, sending units and switches for oil pressure and water temperature, carburetor adaptor, clutch ball, clutch arm, throw out bearings, dip stick, water pump, distributor, plug wires or fuel pump.

B.) Any competitor who processes a claim must have taken the checkered flag in the feature race and have finished the feature race on the ‘lead lap’. The claim must be presented in cash or certified check to promoter or designated DIRTcar official within five (5) minutes after the completion of the feature race. The driver must have the claim payment and his/her DIRTcar current/valid membership and claim card available. A third party cannot provide these items to the claiming driver. (Yearly membership runs from January 1 through December 31.) All claims, positive or negative, must be reported immediately to DIRTcar headquarters by the event promoter and/or chief steward of the event. Drivers will only have the ability to make two (2) claims in any UMP Modified season. A driver can claim another driver’s engine only once during the year. Only the engine of the event winner can be claimed. In case of multiple claims on the same engine, the engine will go to a qualified driver who finished the furthest back in the field on the lead lap. Drivers may not claim an engine if he/she has spun out and caused a caution period. If a claim is refused, the claim is not held against the claiming driver. The claim rule is intended to maintain cost effectiveness and a level playing field in the UMP Modified division.

C.) Any driver making a claim must drive his/her car immediately after the finish of the feature, under its own power, directly to the claiming area. Only drivers and officials will be permitted in the claim area. The claim area must be designated by the promoter to all drivers at the driver’s meeting prior to the feature event. The feature winner must go to the claim area immediately following the finish of the feature event. If no driver comes immediately to the claiming area, the winner may proceed as directed.

D.) The claimed engine must be completely removed within one (1) hour from the time the claim is made.

E.) The first sell/no sell or trade of the engine by the driver being claimed is considered binding.
F.) Only a qualified driver may claim an engine and only the winning driver may agree to sell.
G.) Any refusal to sell forfeits all cash, trophies and contingency winnings for the feature as well as all DIRTcar State and Nationals points’ award for that night. Any driver refusing to sell his/her engine the first time is fined $200.00 and is suspended for the next racing event at their home track and one (1) week from all DIRTcar sanctioned race tracks. The second infraction for a driver refusing to sell their engine is a $600.00 fine and a suspension from all DIRTcar sanctioned tracks for 30-days.

H.) All claimed engines must be removed from the car at the track. The buyer must examine the engine before removal. Once removal has started, the sale is final. Any sabotage to claim an engine will result in the saboteur being suspended from all DIRTcar races for 30-days and until the fine of $1,000.00 is paid to DIRTcar.

I.) To claim an engine, the claiming driver must have raced at least one-half of the sanctioned events at the sanctioned track where the claim is made or at a minimum the three (3) most recent consecutive feature events at that track. A driver can have his/her engine claimed at any time. No claim can be made against a driver on his/her first night at a sanctioned track.
 
20rocks said:
When I was at Mod Mania this year I was surprised at the guys running Rousch Yates ,Jay Dickens, Dargie engines it just seems crazy to spend that kind of money on engines to run for what modifieds pay.
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That's why the UMP mods need a chip rule like USMTS. Limit those high dollar motors from turning 9 grand and it kinda defeats their purpose.
 
a chip rule wont work some of those guys with the big motors dont turn over 8400 on a regular basis. why not just run a good hei with no box and no rev limiter if they have a chip rule. we need harder tires and 23 degree heads like the imca spec head. i think the cars will look stupid with no spoilers on them. claims wont work either just have to **** it up and race
 
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