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The president is not the place to start inserting an independant candidate. Ross Perot has proven that. When he ran his first term, the Dems and Rep. both sided together and fought against him. Remember,"An enemy of my enemy is now my friend". The place to start an independant movement is in the house of Representatives. Once a strong foothold, or presence is made, then move to the Senate, and eventually the Presidency. This will never happen though, because once the two parties realize that the movement is shifting away from them, they'll fall right into line (for a while) and give us what we are demanding. Problem is, if we're not speaking loudly enough to our current representatives, they don't hear us.

The only time a politician hears us is when we threaten to take him or her out of power. Otherwise, the lobbiests have their ears (and pocketbooks).

Don't believe me, look closely at the insurance industry. I've never seen such violations of anti-trust laws than that industry as a whole, and it just gets overlooked.
 
teamsters

I remember a time when the teamsters would shut down the interstate when fuel got to high, or just stop moving goods. Either way it is a shame they lost most of their power.
 
I've been thinking the same thing. We are in a time of runaway inflation that the government refuses to acknowledge. Do you realize that food and fuel are the two items removed from the inflationary scale. The claim is that those items are so volitile that they give a untrue pulse of the health of the economy, so those items are left out.

I ask you, What two items do you spend more of your hard earned dollars on than anything else? I'll bet it's food and fuel.

I could see fuel prices flowing upward as the price of a barrel of oil increases, but what I don't understand is that fuel companies have been consistantly reporting RECORD profits every quarter for at least the last 6 quarters. Seems like the only way to put these profiteers to bed is to quit buying their products. That's going to be difficult. We, in middle America are so used to jumping in our cars and heading wherever we want, whenever we want. I'm thinking about getting a horse. That'll show'em.

Another sideline. Our family really enjoy a treat of King Crab Legs, when we can afford them. They're usually priced between $20-$25 per pound. My wife has been watching them closely at Schnuck's recently. King Crab legs can be had for about $8.00 per pound on several different times lately.

My wife inquired about the price difference. She was told that since staple foods have been climbing so high, that no one is buying the higher end products, therefore creating a surplus, and even though their frozen, they need to be consumed in a timely fashion. Schnuck's would rather get a little for them rather than lose them.

I know we've been scouring for deals like this quite a bit lately. We found day old boneless ribeyes for $7.00 per lb. over the normal $12 per lb.

If we all cut back on fuel, I know I already have, you'll see that the price will drop.

I would like to see a transport embargo though. Maybe just fuel transport embargo. Wouldn't that be rich?
 
jh11zracefan said:
Don't matter how late they start anyone could vote for him or her.
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You're missing the point. At least both parties have been somewhat promoting their ideas on what they want to do. An independent comes in now most people won't take them seriously. When the campaigns started the indepentent should have started at the same time to get any real credit.
 
I think you are missing my point. Anyone in the US can vote for whom ever they want. Don't matter when they come into the race. With the internet people can find a lot more information then before. Who knows what people look up an follow these days. I have look at a few independent candidate web sites. Just cause they came out late in the game doesn't mean that I can't vote for them.
 
Theplummer , I agree with both your last statements. Independents need to get a foothold in the House first. I thought that a few years ago. My dad was a Teamster and said a couple of years ago that they should have a nationwide truckers /transportation strike. Shut down goods from going anywhere and maybe all parties will listen.
 
jh11zracefan said:
I think you are missing my point. Anyone in the US can vote for whom ever they want. Don't matter when they come into the race. With the internet people can find a lot more information then before. Who knows what people look up an follow these days. I have look at a few independent candidate web sites. Just cause they came out late in the game doesn't mean that I can't vote for them.
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That is true.
 
dirt hound said:
because the accountant screwed up and tried fixing ii even called the but just most politician in Illinois they don't have a clue
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Well...then that would be the accountants fault, and not the governments. Irregardless democrat or republican.

I suggest a new accountant. And a new party for you hound.
 
Your right "ThePlummer" I give up. I'll be converting to Republican this year, just so I can say "I'm one of the mindless sheep too". I've never heard such a load of horse hockey in my life, until I read your response. I've got better things to do with my time than argue partisan lines. The original topic of this thread was regarding the military awarding a contract to Airbus, I wish we would get back to that. As the famous saying goes, you can't fix stupid, I'm not gonna try. Sorry, I really don't mean that personally. I guess if you like the way the last 8 years have gone for our country, you should vote republican. I just can't see it.

And you better go back to school on your response to the correltation between raising income tax and raising retail prices. If you make $50K profit, you pay tax on $50K profit (doesn't matter what your retail prices are, taxes are based on your profit/income). Corporate tax on $50K is 25%. If you increase your retail prices you make more profit and pay more dollars in taxes. When you get to $75K profit you will pay 34% tax. Not sure what your logic is, but the bottom line is, if you make profit/income, you pay tax on it.

king
 
kingeddy said:
Well...then that would be the accountants fault, and not the governments. Irregardless democrat or republican.

I suggest a new accountant. And a new party for you hound.
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hate to tell you it 's Springfield's fault when he told them three times what went on a 4 yr old could tell you Lambert field is not in Illinois
 
King your wrong,

If corporate taxes are raised, the corps. will raise prices to cover them and have the same profits. Competition should keep prices in line, and I would think in the chicken biz, you would have plenty.

On the other hand, if your chicken is tasty, you may be able to charge what ever you want. In that case, 25% tax of $50,000 is $12,500 or $37,500 profit after taxes, 25% of $74,900 is $18,725 or $56175 profit. So why not set your prices to bring revenues to the top of the tax bracket?

You said it yourself,"you had to raise prices". But not for taxes under the Republicans. It was for input costs, chicken, natural gas to fry it, labor and ect, Right?

In conclusion, you, or any corp, will charge what ever the market will bare. If corporate taxes go up, they go up for the competition also, so you raise prices to cover them and still have the same profit, which makes the consumer, pay the corporations' taxes!
 
Can some one try and explain something to me. This question is O/T.


What are caucus? You know how Texas and Iowa voted? How is that different then the way we voted here in MO?

Thanks.
 
The way I understand it,

A caucus is more of a town/neighborhood meeting, someone gets up and states their case for a candidate and why you should vote for him/her. Then everyone fisically move to a section of the hall designated for your candidate. If your candidate doesn't get 15% of the vote he won't get counted. So they try to persuade your group to join a different candidate.

It's more fluid and people change their minds that night. Rather than find your candidate, go into a booth and vote, a caucus will take all night. This is why a relatively small group of people participate. Although most are well informed.
 
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What issues make you a democrat? I lean republican but will go where ever my core issues take me. Speaking of sheep I have not heard anything from you except republicans are bad and democrats are good but nothing that says why. Every time I get in a discussion with a democrat they never have reasons why they vote that way except their daddy/grandddy told them to. I have great respect for Paul Simon, even tho he is a liberal and differs from my views he is honest about his liberal views. What did you and everybody think of Obama's trying to give 845 billion in foreign aid that still may pass?
 
dirt farmer said:
A caucus is more of a town/neighborhood meeting, someone gets up and states their case for a candidate and why you should vote for him/her. Then everyone fisically move to a section of the hall designated for your candidate. If your candidate doesn't get 15% of the vote he won't get counted. So they try to persuade your group to join a different candidate.

It's more fluid and people change their minds that night. Rather than find your candidate, go into a booth and vote, a caucus will take all night. This is why a relatively small group of people participate. Although most are well informed.
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But they give delegates for the caucus and the primary's from what I understand. How can a state vote twice like they did in Texas?
 
that's what 's screwed up with our system I don't agree with buying other canditate votes to knock out someone else either
 
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