Presidential Race - Are We United?

bopper said:
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Pew Research Shows Media Definitely In The Tank For Obama.

Examples of the medias attempt to influence the presidential election has been shown numerous times, here and elsewhere online, but Pew Research takes it a step further and shows exactly how in the tank the media is for Barack Obama.

For Obama during this period, just over a third of the stories were clearly positive in tone (36%), while a similar number (35%) were neutral or mixed. A smaller number (29%) were negative.

For McCain, by comparison, nearly six-in-ten stories studied were decidedly negative in nature (57%), while fewer than two-in-ten (14%) were positive.


Journalism.org shows that Palin, unlike what the media likes to report, has not been a drag on the McCain/Palin ticket at all:


As for Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, her coverage had an up and down trajectory, moving from quite positive, to very negative, to more mixed. What drove that tone toward a more unfavorable light was probing her public record and her encounters with the press. Little of her trouble came from coverage of her personal traits or family issues. In the end, she also received less than half the coverage of either presidential nominee, though about triple that of her vice presidential counterpart, Joe Biden.

The findings suggest that, in the end, Palin’s portrayal in the press was not the major factor hurting McCain. Her coverage, while tilting negative, was far more positive than her running mate’s.


Thanks to reader Kim R, we also see that despite the media's obvious attempts to harm John McCain in favor of Barack Obama, the IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll, which in 2004, the Final Certified Results for TIPP showed them to be the "most accurate pollster of the campaign season", has the polling numbers far closer than has been reported to date.

IBD/TIPP Poll shows a sudden tightening of Obama's lead to 3.7 from 6.0. McCain has picked up 3 points in the West and with independents, married women and those with some college. He's also gaining momentum in the suburbs, where he's gone from dead even a week ago to a 20-point lead.

Looks like despite the media trying to insist to everyone that the race is over, the voters and respondents of the polls know the media is in the tank for Obama according to another Pew Research piece titled "Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win."


Voters overwhelmingly believe that the media wants Barack Obama to win the presidential election. By a margin of 70%-9%, Americans say most journalists want to see Obama, not John McCain, win on Nov. 4. Another 8% say journalists don't favor either candidate, and 13% say they don't know which candidate most reporters support.
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The Pew Research center claims to be non-partisan, which I guess is supposed to make appear un-biased, but in reality it is a right wing think tank funded by the Pew Charitable Trusts. If they find the media to be biased, it's because they started off from a bias of their own, and that was to find the media biased towards the left.

Believe me, if McCain were winning the polls, they would be lauding all of the media as being "fair and balanced" instead of using their own slanted criteria for determining what was a "negative" report on McCain, a "positive" report on Obama, or anything in between.

Here is the Wiki entry, I think it pretty much outlines where the non-partisan:rolleyes: Pew Research Center is coming from.

Joseph Pew and his heirs were politically conservative. The J. Howard Pew Freedom Trust had as its mission to "acquaint the American people with 'the evils of bureaucracy' and 'the values of a free market' and 'to inform our people of the struggle, persecution, hardship, sacrifice and death by which freedom of the individual was won.'" Joseph N. Pew, Jr. called Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, "a gigantic scheme to raze U.S businesses to a dead level and debase the citizenry into a mass of ballot-casting serfs."[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pew_Charitable_Trusts


As far as the polls, who cares. It just seems completely ridiculous that all the right wing pundits can find for good news is "we're still losing, just not by as much."
 
Boppers posting of the Pew report, just demostrates exactly how the republican leadership has over the years used their ill-informed so-called base to spread false and unfounded accuations as fact.

Like I said earlier the republican leadership prays everyday that you people never catch on to the sham and they go to bed everynight confident that you never will.

Futhermore if McCain's campaign has been covered in a negative way, its because he has been nothing but decitful and negative throughout.

When Karl Rove says that he has been over the top and decitful, you know he has gone to far.
 
dirt hound said:
Liberals ca do no wrwong but consersatives are bad people
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no that not true conservatives and liberals can both be wrong . and as for the main stream media over 90 percent are owned by conservative people that is a fact . Republicans complain about the liberbal media but maybe you should should think that some time a reporter for those paper see through all the talking point and write what they see..
 
Ok, the story is just a story - it isn't an account of an actual incident.
But it still makes you pause, because we know the people in the story do
exist, they just didn't play out this little scenario. Besides, I love it.

This particular story may not be accurate but the characters could be filled in with real people.
I am sorry to say there are some on here that don't deserve to read this, let alone live in this country.
Yes, I being judgemental but I have earned it. What have the whiners done/
Narrators words;
I just wanted to get the day over with and...go down to Smokey's for a few
cold ones. Sneaking a look at my watch, I saw the time, 1655. Five
minutes to go before the cemetery gates are closed for the day. Full
dress was hot in the August sun. Oklahoma summertime was as bad as ever -
the heat and humidity at the same level - both too high.

I saw the car pull into the drive, '69 or '70 model Cadillac Deville,
looked factory-new. It pulled into the parking lot at a snail's pace. An
old woman got out so slow I thought she was paralyzed. She had a cane and
a sheaf of flowers, about four or five bunches as best I could tell.

I couldn't help myself. The thought came unwanted, and left a slightly
bitter taste: 'She's going to spend an hour, and for this old
soldier...my hip hurts like hell and I'm ready to get out of here right
now!' But for this day my duty was to assist anyone coming in. Kevin
would lock the 'In' gate and if I could just hurry the old biddy along, we
might make the last half of happy hour at Smokey's. I broke Post
Attention. My hip made gritty noises when I took the first step and the
pain went up a notch. I must have made a real military sight; middle-aged
man with a small pot-gut and half a limp, in Marine Full Dress Uniform,
which had lost its razor crease about 30 minutes after I began the
watch...at the cemetery.

I stopped in front of her, halfway up the walk. She looked up at me with
an old woman's squint. 'Ma'am may I assist you in any way?' She took
long enough to answer. 'Yes, son. Can you carry these flowers? I seem to
be moving a tad slow these days.'

'My pleasure Ma'am.' Well, it wasn't too much of a lie.

She looked again. 'Marine, where were you stationed?'

'Vietnam , Ma'am. Ground-pounder. '69 to '71.'

She looked at me closer. 'Wounded in action, I see. Well done, Marine,
I'll be as quick as I can.'

I lied a little bigger, 'No hurry, Ma'am.'

She smiled...and winked at me. 'Son, I'm 85-years old and I can tell a lie
from a long way off. Let's get this done, might be the last time I can do
this. My name's Joanne Wieserman, and I've a few Marines I'd like to see
one more time.'

'Yes, Ma'am, At your service.'

She headed for the World War I section, stopping at a stone. She picked
one of the bunches out of my arm and laid it on top of the stone. She
murmured something I couldn't quite make out. The name on the marble was;
Donald S. Davidson, USMC, France 1918.

She turned away and made a straight line for the World War II section,
stopping at one stone. I saw a tear slowly tracking its way down her
cheek. She put a bunch on a stone; the name was; Stephen X. Davidson,
USMC, 1943.

She went up the row a ways and laid another bunch on a stone; Stanley J.
Wieserman, USMC, 1944. She paused for a second, 'Two more, son, and we'll
be done'

I almost didn't say anything, but, 'Yes, Ma'am, Take your time.'

She looked confused. 'Where's the Vietnam section, son? I seem to have
lost my way.' I pointed with my chin. 'That way, Ma'am.' 'Oh!' she
chuckled quietly. 'Son, me and old age ain't too friendly.' She headed
down the walk I'd pointed at. She stopped at a couple of stones before
she found the ones she wanted.

She placed a bunch on Larry Wieserman, USMC, 1968, and the last one on
Darrel Wieserman, USMC, 1970. She stood there and murmured a few words I
still couldn't make out.

'OK, son, I'm finished. Get me back to my car and you can go home.'

'Yes, Ma'am. If I may ask, were those your kinfolk ?'

She paused. 'Yes, Donald Davidson was my father; Stephen was my uncle;
Stanley was my husband; Larry and Darrel were our sons. All killed in
action, all Marines.' She stopped, whether she had finished, or couldn't
finish, I just don't know. She made her way to her car, slowly, and
painfully.

I waited for a polite distance to come between us and then double-timed it
over to Kevin waiting by the car. 'Get to the 'Out'-gate QUICK! I have
something I've just GOT to do.' Kevin started to say something, but saw
the look I gave him. He broke the rules to get us there down the service
road. We beat her.

She hadn't made it around the rotunda yet.

'Kevin...stand to attention next to the gate post. Follow my lead.' I
humped it across the drive to the other post.

When the Cadillac came puttering around from the hedges and began the
short straight traverse to the gate, I called in my best gunny's voice:
'TehenHut! Present Haaaarms!' I have to hand it to Kevin, he never
blinked an eye; full dress attention and a salute that would make his DI
proud.

She drove through that gate with two old worn-out soldiers giving her a
send off she deserved, for service rendered to her country, and for
knowing Duty, Honor, and Sacrifice.

I am not quite sure, but I think I saw a BIG salute returned from that
Cadillac!
Instead of 'The End'... just think of 'Taps'.

Please let me share a favorite prayer: 'Lord, keep our servicemen and
women safe, whether they serve at home or overseas. Hold them in Your
loving hands and protect them as they protect us.'

Let's all keep those currently serving and those who have gone before, in
our thoughts. They are the reason for the many freedoms we enjoy.

'In God We Trust!'

Sorry about your monitor, it made mine blurry too!

I'm sure you might want to pass this one along to a few friends. . Semper Fi,

Lew Brown

A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life wrote a blank check
made payable to 'The United States of America' for an amount of 'up to and
including my life.' That is Honor, and there are way too many people in
this country who no longer understand it.
 
Wehjawhill:

Your always trying to romanticize war in some John Wayne way, have you ever humped the boonies yourself, or are you just a military groupie.
 
Thanks Todd....

t.nie said:
And JPR, Bopper and I are about as opposite on some issues as you can get, but we still discuss things. And disagree. The difference is, Bopper isn't a condescending A $$. So much for your sarcastic remark.
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Todd, you made my point for me.:)
 
Wehjawhill just thinks he's better than everyone else, that's about all there is to it. Whatever. Some people just can't stand being an equal, they have to think they are better. I ain't one of those people, hope I never become so full of myself that I start looking down my nose at other people for their opinions, start telling them their words mean nothing, start thinking their lives have no value or their opinions have no merit because I have some self ordained standard of worthy that I judge other people by. Even the people I disagree with have value, and their opinions mean something. I hope I never become so obsessed with myself that I start telling other people they mean nothing.

By the way, wehjawhill, I was in the military too, and what they taught me was service and respect for other people. Not just respect for the service people.
 
I disagree with Bopper. I don't call him un-American. He is a business owner and has a lot of concerns for his business.

I disagree with JPR. I don't think he is un-American. I think he is concerned about taxation, how that will affect his paycheck, his lifestyle, his standard of living.

I disagree with wehjawhill. I think he thinks he is better than other people, thinks the Democrats are the friend of what he brands "lowlife," I think he puts other people down or dismisses those who do not think like him as meaningless, I think he puts himself on a pedestal and military vets on a pedestal and expects everyone else to see him and them as better than other people for those reasons. I don't think he is un-American. I think he probably has a family and kids and is just trying to keep what he has and is afraid he might lose something under Obama.

I disagree with you, Dirt Hound. But I don't brand you un-American. I think you exercise your right to free speech daily. I think you work and pay taxes and are afraid that Obama will drive more jobs overseas and make it harder for you to find work, or keep the job you have. I don't think you mean nothing, or don't count for much in this world. You do.

I disagree with Momma Drew. But I don't think she is un-American. I think she supports the troops, loves her family, cares about her kids, and is afraid of what might happen under Obama to our way of life. But I don't think she is meaningless or has no right to her opinion.

I disagree with many people, but they are still entitled to their opinions. And I don't look down on them as being less than human just because I disagree with their political opinions. Their opinions matter. And without them we would be in just as much danger from the far left as we would be if the only opinions were from the right.
 
kingeddy said:
Just a quick question to the pro-lifers regarding this. Has anyone in your family ever had a miscarriage or otherwise lost a baby prior to birth?
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Ok...I can't stand it any longer and since apparently no one else caught this....What it the heck does this have to do with "pro-lifers"? I could most definitely go off just from this reply alone...but I will await your answer.
 
t.nie said:
I disagree with Bopper. I don't call him un-American. He is a business owner and has a lot of concerns for his business.

I disagree with JPR. I don't think he is un-American. I think he is concerned about taxation, how that will affect his paycheck, his lifestyle, his standard of living.

I disagree with wehjawhill. I think he thinks he is better than other people, thinks the Democrats are the friend of what he brands "lowlife," I think he puts other people down or dismisses those who do not think like him as meaningless, I think he puts himself on a pedestal and military vets on a pedestal and expects everyone else to see him and them as better than other people for those reasons. I don't think he is un-American. I think he probably has a family and kids and is just trying to keep what he has and is afraid he might lose something under Obama.

I disagree with you, Dirt Hound. But I don't brand you un-American. I think you exercise your right to free speech daily. I think you work and pay taxes and are afraid that Obama will drive more jobs overseas and make it harder for you to find work, or keep the job you have. I don't think you mean nothing, or don't count for much in this world. You do.

I disagree with Momma Drew. But I don't think she is un-American. I think she supports the troops, loves her family, cares about her kids, and is afraid of what might happen under Obama to our way of life. But I don't think she is meaningless or has no right to her opinion.

I disagree with many people, but they are still entitled to their opinions. And I don't look down on them as being less than human just because I disagree with their political opinions. Their opinions matter. And without them we would be in just as much danger from the far left as we would be if the only opinions were from the right.
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I don't know who you are, but you are one of the most intelligent people I've ever had the pleasure of reading posts from. Very well said. You have alot of class, and I appreciate that:)
 
81128 said:
Ok...I can't stand it any longer and since apparently no one else caught this....What it the heck does this have to do with "pro-lifers"? I could most definitely go off just from this reply alone...but I will await your answer.
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I'll probably piss some people off, but here it is since you can't stand it. It is a legitimate question, I'm not trying to be ignorant. So please, if it makes you mad just keep it to yourself.

I was curious, do the pro-lifers have a funeral service and burial for the remains? If not I'm even more curious as to why they don't. I keep hearing them preach that an embryo is a living person, and we usually hold services when someone passes. I have never heard or known of anyone doing so in the event of a miscarriage, and was just wondering if they did.
 
And while were on that subject, I just heard yesterday an ad designed to push the Pro Lifers buttons and again designed with the confidence that they will not think about it, but just respond.

The ad concerned the issue of partial birth abortion and stated that it involved the killing of a baby after all but just the head had already been born.

The problem with that ad is that except in the rare cases of a breach birth, the head is the first part delivered not the last part.

I'm not on the surface in favor of any abortion, but I feel the best way to approach the issue is like a bumper sticker I once saw that said:

"Don't like abortion then don't get one"
 
I cannot and will not speak for ALL pro-lifers, but as for those I know....yes, they do have funerals. I, myself, have been to at least 3, and know of several others. In fact, my brother-in-law's sister had her first child stillborn. Her mother has the typical "grandma" sweatshirt with all of her grandchildren's names and on one shoulder is an angel with the child's name on it. And I tell this to show just how strongly we feel about this issue.

Thank you for clearing that up, for I was beginning to think that you had turned totally ignorant and I'm glad I didn't say exactly what I was thinking! (;)) I would also like to know why no other pro-lifer pushed to find out what you were trying to say. Your reply should have caused a massive outburst of rage in just the way you stated it. It's too bad that we don't all stand up for what we believe in. Too many people are scared to voice their beliefs and it's soon going to be too late to even bother. :mad:
 
kingeddy said:
I'll probably piss some people off, but here it is since you can't stand it. It is a legitimate question, I'm not trying to be ignorant. So please, if it makes you mad just keep it to yourself.

I was curious, do the pro-lifers have a funeral service and burial for the remains? If not I'm even more curious as to why they don't. I keep hearing them preach that an embryo is a living person, and we usually hold services when someone passes. I have never heard or known of anyone doing so in the event of a miscarriage, and was just wondering if they did.
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I have never heard that either for a miscarriage, but there arent really remains with miscarraige as the body discards the remains through bleeding. I have heard of funerals for stillborns. But I wouldn't understand a funeral for a miscarriage...it doesnt mean they can't still consider it as having a child and losing a child.
 
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