Presidential Race - Cast Your Vote

[t.nie]

I read the Rolling Stone thing. It's obviously slanted to bash McCain. The one glaring bit of spin to me was this:

Commandeering a Navy plane, McCain spent most weekends flying from Meridian to Philadelphia for their dates.

Military pilots sign out jets, they don't commandeer them. It seems kind of odd, but any military pilot that wants to take a jet somewhere can as long as there is one available, they incorporate some kind of training into the sortie, etc. Where I was at, pilots signed out jets on a Saturday morning, flew some kind of training sortie with it, then landed in Germany near Garmisch and spent the rest of the weekend skiing at the military resort there. On Sunday, they would hop back in it, do some kind of training sortie on the way back, and be back at our base in the evening.

The way Rolling Stone puts it, it's as though he was using it as a personal aircraft at taxpayers expense, when in fact it's something any military pilot can do within reason.

 

[Loudpedal]

I'll respectfully agree to disagree

 

[t.nie]

..............................................did we forget about the boston tea party already????????? How about no taxation without representation? Obama's likes are what we fought against in the revolutionary war!!!!!!!

Did we forget about the Declaration of Causes already?


http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/arms.asp

Freedom from tryanny. Freedom from being ruled by a dictator.

And one of the most common phrases, known to everyone who has gone to school in this country, from our Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Intake]

Maybe just the people who work and don't have their hand out. I'm sure your a hard working law abiding citizen so doesn't it bother you at all that the money you work hard for is going to be given to someone who doesn't deserve it. People who are like you and me who can work but just find it nicer to stay home and rake in goverment spending on them.

Here's a neat little story I was sent on that one :


A blurb as recently offered in a newspaper. ....

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read 'Vote Obama, I need the money.' I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a 'Obama 08' tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application

 

[Intake]

Another little story for Obama worshipers:





Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

A Chemistry professor at a large college had an exchange student in the class. One day in class, the Professor noticed one young man (the exchange student)who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to
eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America.
The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops, welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms... just a little at a time.

One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you
can do it yourself, you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America.

God help you when the gate slams shut! In this 'very important' election year, listen closely to what the candidates are promising you - just maybe you will be able to tell who
is about to slam the gate on America.

'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.'

Thomas Jefferson

 

[t.nie]

This is something Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Causes. This Declaration was the document that was issued to clearly state why the colonies went to war with Britain.

But a reverance for our Creator, principles of humanity, and the dictates of common sense, must convince all those who reflect upon the subject, that government was instituted to promote the welfare of mankind, and ought to be administered for the attainment of that end.

 

[1stbreak]

Have you ever gone to a high end restraunt where most of the patron's are executive's and ceo's. Ask the people how much they tip on their own, usually the answer come's back zero. I usually tip the people that serve me 20% on the whole bill, not just the food like your supposed too. If there wasn't a gratuity placed automatically on those people's bill those people waiting on them would be broke. How you figure Obama is going to just take the rich people's money and just hand it over to the needy is crazy. In my business, which I own, so I really am JOE THE PLUMBER, I spread the wealth among my employee's and myself. When our profit's go up for whatever reason I pass it along to them evenly, spreading the wealth. So what your saying is you want to continue to shelter these corporations where their high ranking executive's and ceo's continue to collect their big salaries and bonus's all the while the people at the bottom of their respective companies loose there benefit's, have to take a paycut, or hell loose their job's. You need to broaden your horizon's a little bit, I really don't think it's going to cost you a dime if these corporations are required to spread the wealth by giving some of it back to the like's of you and I. We are the one's that buy the product's and services that got them there in the first place. Greedy people s---!

 

[Intake]

Have you ever gone to a high end restraunt where most of the patron's are executive's and ceo's. Ask the people how much they tip on their own, usually the answer come's back zero. I usually tip the people that serve me 20% on the whole bill, not just the food like your supposed too. If there wasn't a gratuity placed automatically on those people's bill those people waiting on them would be broke. How you figure Obama is going to just take the rich people's money and just hand it over to the needy is crazy. In my business, which I own, so I really am JOE THE PLUMBER, I spread the wealth among my employee's and myself. When our profit's go up for whatever reason I pass it along to them evenly, spreading the wealth. So what your saying is you want to continue to shelter these corporations where their high ranking executive's and ceo's continue to collect their big salaries and bonus's all the while the people at the bottom of their respective companies loose there benefit's, have to take a paycut, or hell loose their job's. You need to broaden your horizon's a little bit, I really don't think it's going to cost you a dime if these corporations are required to spread the wealth by giving some of it back to the like's of you and I. We are the one's that buy the product's and services that got them there in the first place. Greedy people s---!

Sorry, was just a story I was sent, but I can see by your last few sentences that you agree that the wealthy business owners should just give part of their profits over to the undeserving.
I for one neither expect, nor want handouts from anyone. Call me stupid,or all that had a hand in teaching me stupid, but I was taught you get what you work for and no one owes you for something that you didn't work for!

 

[Phoenix 2]

It sounds like Intake and Wehjawhill went to the same The Pinko Commies are Coming school.

 

[moonflow]

It sounds like Intake and Wehjawhill went to the same The Pinko Commies are Coming school.

Intake, look at it this way. The tax cuts for the middle class will stimulate the economy, because we will spend it in stores, and also put it towards unpaid debts. However, the tax cuts for the wealthy and big business proposed by McCain will not work. As long as material prices hold, product prices stay the same. Employees won't see it either. So, where does it go? Straight into the business owners' pocket. Higher costs trickle down, but more money for middle class families trickles up.

 

[Intake]

Intake, look at it this way. The tax cuts for the middle class will stimulate the economy, because we will spend it in stores, and also put it towards unpaid debts. However, the tax cuts for the wealthy and big business proposed by McCain will not work. As long as material prices hold, product prices stay the same. Employees won't see it either. So, where does it go? Straight into the business owners' pocket. Higher costs trickle down, but more money for middle class families trickles up.

When you lay a burden on "big business" who do you think pays for it in the long run? Why do you think so many of our jobs have gone overseas? Big Business will not take a beating, they will find other ways and the "middle class" becomes the lower class. The US right now has one of the worst business climates in the entire world and now we have a jackass wanting to share the wealth and put it to them, what so they can move everything out of here?
Probably a good business to get into right now would be mud hut construction LOL

 

[Phoenix 2]

Intake:

We have had for the last 8 years a goverment that has given everything that big business and the special interests have wanted.

So explain why in this most favorable enviroment they have moved so many jobs out of this country in the last 8 years and wrecked the economy in the process.

 

[kingeddy]

Could someone please tell me which issues on Obama's platform are socialistic. Other than hearing McCain and Palin shouting "socialism" at every opportunity in their attempt to scare people, I can't find anything. I would like to know point by point which issues you term to be socialistic, and explain why you feel they are.


And please explain to me how Obama is going to "re-distribute wealth"? How can the wealth be re-distributed (socialistically, as republicans want us to believe) if the government doesn't seize control of all businesses (ie: production, distribution of goods, services) and all private property? How does the government (or Obama) redistribute the wealth he or the government doesn't control or own?

And with that said, realistically, how is Obama's tax plan socialism?

Taxing the richest 5%-10% of Americans a higher tax rate has been going on for how many years? That cannot be blamed on Obama, nor can we call him a socialist for continuing the practice or tightening the screws on those big corporations who have screwed us for so many years. Thats not socialism, thats justice.

 

[STRNGRTHANDIRT]

Maybe you should ask Obama what he means, he's the one who said it! Be careful though, the media will put your life under a microscope for daring to ask such a question.

 

[PITDRIFTER]

you get what you work for and no one owes you for something that you didn't work for!

Come on man, what would we do with all that money given out to public aid?

 

[mfloyd]

After the 2000 election, when Bush won the whitehouse due to a supreme court decision, all steming around the state his brother govorned (later finding out it WAS a miscount), then winning again in controversy in 2004. All the misdirection, all the failures, all the scams, lies, "bad intelegence" in the military, oil prices going insane, economy disentigrating over what should have been obviouse WAY before it started, forgetting bin ladden and going after hussein. All the ignorance of the last 8 years.

I honestly find it hard to believe that ANYONE could think that another republican is the answer. It has been so corrupt it looks like our entire system on VOTING in the first place is meaningless. Think back over the last 8 years REAL hard and think abouteverything the republican party has managed to pull of that we all disovered to be wrong.


And theres acually people considering McCain?? He is a war veteran, a hero, a legend. Someone that EVERYONE needs to look up to. And Palin, maybe in 4 years she'll be a bad ***. But the last thing we need is a 72 year old president not in touch with the current world, and one heartbeat away is a chick with a nice *** we know nothing about.

Im not saying Obama is the answer by any means. he might be the best president this country has ever seen, he may completely ****. but I cant imagine even for a second taking the chance of 4 more years of a republican, no matter who they were.

 

[Phoenix 2]

Mfloyd:

Amen

 

[1stbreak]

I'll second that. Opp's I quess you know what way my hat is tipping.

 

[dirt hound]

topo young to remember jimmy carter huh?

 

[Phoenix 2]

Yeah and as bad as that was , the day jimmy carter left office the national debt was 64 billion dollars.

What is it now after the republicans have ruled for the last 25 of 27 years.