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[t.nie]

The government is not subsidizing the workers they are subsidizing walmart. If the govt would quit giving the checks they would strike and force walmart to pay a higher wage. Of course that would take the power away from the govt and we would not want that.

Ok, so it's not the governments job to regulate low wage employers like Walmart, it's the employees responsibility to strike for higher wages? Let me tell you how I think that would play out.

Workers strike.
Workers fired.
New employees hired.

Thank you for shopping at Walmart.

 

[Intake]

obama wins and mccain cries for a recount thats my prediction

Then when they throw out all the phony votes McCain wins by a landslide!

 

[Need4Speed]

I recieved this in an email, thought I would share it.


Pull out of Iraq ?!?!

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?
Body count: In the last six months: 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;
221 killed in Iraq .

Chicago.... Who Runs it:


Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin
Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,
Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,
Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley) ....

.our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago . Of course, they're all blaming each other!

Can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us? Wake Up America !

 

[bopper]

I recieved this in an email, thought I would share it.


Pull out of Iraq ?!?!

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?
Body count: In the last six months: 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago ;
221 killed in Iraq .

Chicago.... Who Runs it:


Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin
Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,
Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,
Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley) ....

.our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago . Of course, they're all blaming each other!

Can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois . And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us? Wake Up America !

I agree, I could handle a democrat president, but not from Chicago. They don't call it "crook" county for nothing!

 

[Phoenix 2]

Bopper:

As far as the I.Q., you need to check your data, it was reported just today that polls show that Mcsame's support is coming from voters with less than some college educations while Obama's was coming form some college +.

You advocate that workers should strike for better wages, thats an odd comment from someone who only pays their workers the very minimum wage and as you stated never give them raises or a share of your profits.

I getting a good understanding of why you so much support the republican cause.

 

[dirt hound]

polls are just what they want them to be the only poll that counts is nov 4 have a nice day

 

[1stbreak]

Maybe if we spent even say a million dollars in Chicago or any other big city in the US the death's may be lower. Give them job's and education with that money and I think you would see a difference. We need to stop trying to fix what is out side of our border's and fix what's inside of them. Like the song say's" How do you expect me to help anyone else if I can't even help myself".

 

[kingeddy]

Maybe if we spent even say a million dollars in Chicago or any other big city in the US the death's may be lower. Give them job's and education with that money and I think you would see a difference. We need to stop trying to fix what is out side of our border's and fix what's inside of them. Like the song say's" How do you expect me to help anyone else if I can't even help myself".

Or perhaps if George "W"orstever Bush would not have slashed the federal budget that helped fund local and state police agencies the entire nation would be safer.

 

[MizuriDirt]

Maybe if we spent even say a million dollars in Chicago or any other big city in the US the death's may be lower. Give them job's and education with that money and I think you would see a difference. We need to stop trying to fix what is out side of our border's and fix what's inside of them. Like the song say's" How do you expect me to help anyone else if I can't even help myself".

The problem is that most of those people that you want to educate and give jobs to don't want them. They are programmed to sit at home and collect a check or make more money than you or myself slinging dope or stealing. They are a product of the society that they live in. It has been handed down to them through he ages. Those people are presented with the same challenges as myself and many others. The only difference is that I and many of my friends had parents that cared enough about me and were programmed to go out and get a job to support their families. Welfare in this country is a way of life to many. We don't need more welfare, we need for people to get off their azzes and make a living. If all the low lifes that were out there collecting welfare would work in those cities that alone would help raise more taxes to build more schools and infrastructure. I can't remember seeing anywhere in our constitution that says the government should provide a living for you. The way to a better life is out there now just like it always has been. YOU have to make it happen. NOT THE GOVERNMENT If you work somewhere where it doesn't pay enough move on to something else. If that profession doesn't pay enough go back to school and change profession. Liberals make me want to choke someone.

When things don't go right they always have to point their finger at someone other than theirselves. Opportunity abounds in this country for someone wanting to do the work to acheive it. Don't expect your employer to keep giving you outrageous raises and benefits and expect them to stay in buisness. Without these employers making money you have no more job. It seems to me that some of you people, mainly union people, feel like the buisiness owners owe you something. The only thing they owe you is your pay for the hours you worked. The owners are there to make money and that is the bottom line. When labor costs exceeds money made you have no more job.

 

[bopper]

Bopper:

As far as the I.Q., you need to check your data, it was reported just today that polls show that Mcsame's support is coming from voters with less than some college educations while Obama's was coming form some college +.

You advocate that workers should strike for better wages, thats an odd comment from someone who only pays their workers the very minimum wage and as you stated never give them raises or a share of your profits.

I getting a good understanding of why you so much support the republican cause.

The people that work for me are getting job experience and a track record that they will show up on time. I encourage all my workers to finish school or go on to get a better job. I believe I do a pretty good job because I rarely have an employee more than a year. Many come back for a little part time work because they miss their customers. My business is not a carreer but a stepping stone except for a manager. I see a lot of educated idiots come out of college. Look at most of your professors.

 

[1stbreak]

Oh don't get me wrong they would have to work for it. I certainley didn't get where I am in life by sitting on my rump and I despise people that milk the system. I have been personally involved where I had someone collecting unemployment from my company and I had proof that he was collecting, all the while he was working and getting paid cash. The Unemployment agency called him and he said he wasn't working, so what did they do? they cotinued to pay him. That's wrong .Like you said they are programmed just like the Iraqes but we are not spending billions here in the US to change any of that and that's wrong too. Talk about socialism, aren't we basically the one's running IRAQ, and who's the one that want's to continue this fight until we WIN the war?" MY FRIENDS " this isn't the board game Risk. Sometime's you have to recognize you got yourself into something you shouldn't have and get the Hell out. We will never win this war because it's not a war, it's us trying to controll the world. Guess what it's not working.

 

[KMUDD]

The problem is that most of those people that you want to educate and give jobs to don't want them. They are programmed to sit at home and collect a check or make more money than you or myself slinging dope or stealing. They are a product of the society that they live in. It has been handed down to them through he ages. Those people are presented with the same challenges as myself and many others. The only difference is that I and many of my friends had parents that cared enough about me and were programmed to go out and get a job to support their families. Welfare in this country is a way of life to many. We don't need more welfare, we need for people to get off their azzes and make a living. If all the low lifes that were out there collecting welfare would work in those cities that alone would help raise more taxes to build more schools and infrastructure. I can't remember seeing anywhere in our constitution that says the government should provide a living for you. The way to a better life is out there now just like it always has been. YOU have to make it happen. NOT THE GOVERNMENT If you work somewhere where it doesn't pay enough move on to something else. If that profession doesn't pay enough go back to school and change profession. Liberals make me want to choke someone.

When things don't go right they always have to point their finger at someone other than theirselves. Opportunity abounds in this country for someone wanting to do the work to acheive it. Don't expect your employer to keep giving you outrageous raises and benefits and expect them to stay in buisness. Without these employers making money you have no more job. It seems to me that some of you people, mainly union people, feel like the buisiness owners owe you something. The only thing they owe you is your pay for the hours you worked. The owners are there to make money and that is the bottom line. When labor costs exceeds money made you have no more job.

OMG, Finally someone with common sense. The liberal dems what americans dependent on gov't to provided for them, the conservative repubs what americans to go get it on there own, work hard and prosper. That's the difference. I am getting tired of busting by balls to make a living to support my family, while they are doing without the little extra pleasures in life because we don't have the extra funds, because I am also supporting 2 or 3 extra familys, w/ my tax dollars, through the welfare system. Welfare is a decent program, what it was intended for, to help people that really deserve help. The whole system needs revamping or cut. It has become a way of life because of the LIBERALS. Also, with the crime situation, if the jail system wasn't such a nice hotel system maybe they wouldn't what to go back. Bring back chain gangs. That won't happen because of the liberals who say it's to inhumane. BOO-HOO. To those you say it would cost to much, bull. Less criminals in the system, less mouths to feed, less drain on the court system, more PRODUCTIVE citizens.

 

[t.nie]

I completely agree with welfare as a lifestyle for some people. I agree it gets handed down by example. It's something I have talked about with many people who feel these people should get off their butts and find a job to support themselves.

But I always ask people who claim to be from similar backgrounds, ie poor, who was their example to follow to show them the route to get ahead? And with very few exceptions, they all say their parents. They go on to say how their parents worked hard and taught them to work too, and emphasized the value of education. And some, not all, did go on to college, with the help of grants and loans to get their degrees.

On the other side of that coin, if having an example to follow is the key, then what kind of example are these poor people being given when they are constantly branded as a disgrace? And since many of the poor who have gone on to get out of the poverty trap used government grants and loans to get ahead, why is it that so many people think we need to cancel all that? If anything, the way we get more people off welfare and into work is by giving them an example and some assistance to move them in the right direction. Cutting them off and blaming them for their circumstances does not give them an example to follow, and in my mind, what they need more than anything is an example, a mentor, someone to show them that their life does not necessarily have to start and end on welfare.

 

[MizuriDirt]

I completely agree with welfare as a lifestyle for some people. I agree it gets handed down by example. It's something I have talked about with many people who feel these people should get off their butts and find a job to support themselves.

But I always ask people who claim to be from similar backgrounds, ie poor, who was their example to follow to show them the route to get ahead? And with very few exceptions, they all say their parents. They go on to say how their parents worked hard and taught them to work too, and emphasized the value of education. And some, not all, did go on to college, with the help of grants and loans to get their degrees.

On the other side of that coin, if having an example to follow is the key, then what kind of example are these poor people being given when they are constantly branded as a disgrace? And since many of the poor who have gone on to get out of the poverty trap used government grants and loans to get ahead, why is it that so many people think we need to cancel all that? If anything, the way we get more people off welfare and into work is by giving them an example and some assistance to move them in the right direction. Cutting them off and blaming them for their circumstances does not give them an example to follow, and in my mind, what they need more than anything is an example, a mentor, someone to show them that their life does not necessarily have to start and end on welfare.

T.nie,
What you need to understand is that welfare and grants were set up to HELP people. Not support people. Maybe you do understand that but, many do not or they do and they take advantage of that fact. This is where the problem lies. Put time limits on welfare and make people have an incentive to work. The whole welfare idea was meant to HELP people in true need. Able bodied people sitting at home on the front porch all day talking on a phone or out all night stealing and drinking 40 oz'rs don't need help. They need a swift kick in their azzes.

Don't tell me that the Gov can't differentiate the real people that need welfare either. They can find out what they want from people making money, why not from the ones who are not??? If I lost my job tomorrow I would be out looking for another one not waiting to see what the Gov was going to give me. If for some strange reason I could not find work I would be embarrased to take a hand out from the government even though I am entitled to receive it. The problem is that the other side of this is that those people that EXPECT to be supported by the Gov because they feel that they have it coming to them even though they never worked a day in their lazy azz lives. What is wrong with this picture?? You simply cannot help people that don't want to help theirselves.

 

[MizuriDirt]

The people that work for me are getting job experience and a track record that they will show up on time. I encourage all my workers to finish school or go on to get a better job. I believe I do a pretty good job because I rarely have an employee more than a year. Many come back for a little part time work because they miss their customers. My business is not a carreer but a stepping stone except for a manager. I see a lot of educated idiots come out of college. Look at most of your professors.

Bopper,
This is another major with the flaw with the American worker. Many workers believe that just because they show up on time and they show up every day that they are outstanding employees. Mediocrity abounds in this situation. If you excel then you may move up the ladder to more pay and perks that your employer has to offer. I'm not saying that loyalty and dependability should be overlooked. It shouldn't. I'm saying that mediocrity has its limits.

 

[Phoenix 2]

Welfare, welfare, welfare, it's like a broken record, you don't understand, you blame the wrong segment of society for your problems and rather than try to look at the facts and learn how our economic system really works, you just parrot what you have heard some talk radio guy say.

The people that are causing your problems prey everyday that you won't ever understand and are confident that you will never bother to try and learn the facts yourself.

 

[STRNGRTHANDIRT]

Nothing worse than a judgemental know-it-all!

 

[kingeddy]

I called the bluff of all you socialism experts who thought you fully understood Obama's master plan for converting America to socialism after he is elected. Since I haven't received a valid answer to the questions below, I would say it appears that none of you had a clue as to what you were talking about and were just repeating the lies you heard from "the Geezer and the Dingbat". In fact I would be willing to bet that 75% of you had no idea what socialism is without the aid of wickipedia, let alone enough knowledge of the subject to explain the principles to someone else.

Here are the questions again.

Could someone please tell me which issues on Obama's platform are socialistic. Other than hearing McCain and Palin shouting "socialism" at every opportunity in their attempt to scare people, I can't find anything. I would like to know point by point which issues you term to be socialistic, and explain why you feel they are.


And please explain to me how Obama is going to "re-distribute wealth"? How can the wealth be re-distributed (socialistically, as republicans want us to believe) if the government doesn't seize control of all businesses (ie: production, distribution of goods, services) and all private property? How does the government (or Obama) redistribute the wealth he or the government doesn't control or own?

And with that said, realistically, how is Obama's tax plan socialism?

Taxing the richest 5%-10% of Americans a higher tax rate has been going on for how many years? That cannot be blamed on Obama, nor can we call him a socialist for continuing the practice or tightening the screws on those big corporations who have screwed us for so many years. Thats not socialism, thats justice.

 

[dirt hound]

Quit talking bad about obama and biden sshame on you:d:d

 

[t.nie]

I don't disagree that welfare is a problem and could be reformed, what I do disagree with is that it's THE problem that needs to be fixed and everything else will be better.

And what I do think is there are other more pressing problems, like government favoring the rich while focusing on the poor, that are of far more importance than tinkering with welfare.

What I see as the biggest problem with Republicans is they focus on one narrow segment of society at the bottom and try and take as much away from them as they can and thats fine, but if anyone dares focus on the the people at the top and take a precious dime from them, they brand it something other than what it is. Like calling tax reform socialism.