Presidential Race - Cast Your Vote

Who will you vote for next Tuesday?

  • McCain/Palin

    Votes: 123 52.3%

  • Obama/Biden

    Votes: 86 36.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 12 5.1%

  • I'm Not Going to Vote

    Votes: 14 6.0%
  • Total voters
    235
kingeddy said:
But your still not answering the question: How are any of the issues on Obama's platform socialistic? As you admitted taxation and welfare have been going on for years (they cannot be attributed to Obama). We are talking specifically about Obama. What issues on "HIS" platform are a redistribution of wealth and socialism. I am still waiting for you to give me the evidence of a "don't pay taxes/get a tax credit" plan from Obama. Please, I'm begging, show me where you got this information that I cannot find anywhere.

Demonizing business a tool for socialism how so? And which ones? The ones who have price gouged at the pumps. The ones who have robbed from us and got bailed out with our own money. The Haliburtons who gouged our military. Don't those companies also employ the wealthiest? They should pay the most, afterall, they are the ones who benefitted the most from the demise of our country. They should help rebuild it, just as we, as a country, are helping rebuild a sovereign nation we destroyed 6 years ago for no reason at all. But I guess its ok if a republican makes us give a handout. eh?

Are you also saying workers taking over a business is socialism? Not quite sure I follow that one.

As you admitted having a limited understanding of how Obama's so called socialism would work, how can you call him a socialist. You were one of the most vocal on these threads calling him one. Like I said, 75% of the people have no idea what socialism is.

I guess I have proved my point.
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King I'm surprised you want specifics on Obamas platform when for the past several weeks you have completely ignored "McSame's" platform and accused him of being exactly like Bush. Perhaps you should practice what you preach and accept that McCain may be different then Bush.
 
kingeddy said:
But your still not answering the question: How are any of the issues on Obama's platform socialistic? As you admitted taxation and welfare have been going on for years (they cannot be attributed to Obama). We are talking specifically about Obama. What issues on "HIS" platform are a redistribution of wealth and socialism. I am still waiting for you to give me the evidence of a "don't pay taxes/get a tax credit" plan from Obama. Please, I'm begging, show me where you got this information that I cannot find anywhere.

Demonizing business a tool for socialism how so? And which ones? The ones who have price gouged at the pumps. The ones who have robbed from us and got bailed out with our own money. The Haliburtons who gouged our military. Don't those companies also employ the wealthiest? They should pay the most, afterall, they are the ones who benefitted the most from the demise of our country. They should help rebuild it, just as we, as a country, are helping rebuild a sovereign nation we destroyed 6 years ago for no reason at all. But I guess its ok if a republican makes us give a handout. eh?

Are you also saying workers taking over a business is socialism? Not quite sure I follow that one.

As you admitted having a limited understanding of how Obama's so called socialism would work, how can you call him a socialist. You were one of the most vocal on these threads calling him one. Like I said, 75% of the people have no idea what socialism is.

I guess I have proved my point.
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........what is your definition of socialism? I understand it to be when there are no non-working business owners running a business. Therefore socialists (like Obama and other democrats) must demonize business and tax them until they break at which time the workers take over all business. I roughly understand socialism what I don't understand is how it can work. No business should get handouts to make it artificially survive and prosper..............his issues on 95% of people getting tax rebate/credit if 60% pay taxes then the other are getting something for nothing ie redistibution of wealth. Obama says he wants that I don't see the argument here. Have you ever explained the global poverty act and how it is good for the USA?
 
I think you have taken a quote way out of context. When Obama referes to 95% of Americans receiving a tax break, He is obviously refering to those who pay taxes.

I've never said the global poverty act was good. However being a member of the UN we are committed (under Bush) to the Millenium Developement Goal. All I can see happening with the global policy act (which I doubt will even make it thru congress with the current state of our country) would be its original intention which is to force the president into honoring the committment of the MDG.

McSame different than Bush? How so? He voted in support of Bush more than 90% of the time....Not bad for a MAVERICK:confused::rolleyes: But we are getting off target.

THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS UNANSWERED. WHAT ISSUES ON OBAMA'S PLATFORM ARE SOCIALISTIC? As I have stated, and you seem to be ignoring, taxation of the wealthy at a higher percentage is not exclusive to Obama's platform (he didn't invent the wheel here). You screamed socialist the loudest of anyone on this board, yet you cannot answer the question. Why not?
 
kingeddy said:
McSame different than Bush? How so? He voted in support of Bush more than 90% of the time....Not bad for a MAVERICK:confused::rolleyes: But we are getting off target.
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As you like to ask rhetorical questions, let me ask one. What is the difference between Obama and Nancy Pelosi? Nancy Pelosi being the leader of the senate she can enact laws where Bush can't. What has she done to keep the country out of the mess it's in?
 
I will not go off on a tangent. To quote a retard...Pelosi isn't running for president.:D

I want someone to answer my question or to admit they were wrong regarding Obama being a socialist.
 
no schmitt but she still is one of the leaders of this country and something would happen tothe president or vice president guess who running the show that's right the almighty dingbat from california
 
dirt hound said:
no schmitt but she still is one of the leaders of this country and something would happen tothe president or vice president guess who running the show that's right the almighty dingbat from california
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If she's a dingbat, at least she's a dingbat two healthy lives away from the presidency rather than a dingbat one frail, aging heartbeat away...:rolleyes:
 
Why do you all keep bringing up past Presidents? Is Roosevelt, Kennedy, Einsenhower, Carter or any of those long gone Presidents running now? No. It's Barack Obama as the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. He is his own man, and to hold him responsible for the moves that past Presidents have made is senseless and wrong. You don't like it when people hold you responsible because your ancestors had slaves. And Barack Obama isn't even related to those past Presidents!!!! Get off it!!

As for experience....I do not think 1 year, 4 years, 5 years, 20 years as a POW qualifies anyone more for President than anyone else.

As for experience....Barack Obama would have more experience on the Federal level of Government than the following:

Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush

All three of those served only at the state level. Reagan was governor of California. Clinton was State Treasurer and Governor of Arkansas. "DubYah" was Governor of Texas. None served at the Federal level of Government until being elected President of the United States.

And now the RNC is placing ads going back to the "good Reverend" and Barack Obama. Once again, the RNC and John McCain continue to run their dirty smear campaign using loose references, context, and inventive editing.

And McCain wants to tax my health benefits that I get at work. He wants to privatize the health industry at work, make the worker more responsible, and then deregulate the insurance companies, so they can stick it to us more. He wants to deregulate even more big business. Deregulation is what got us into this mess.

McCain has no real answer to our crumbling educational programs.

In reality...McCain has no real answers, period. Just more of the same failed policies. If you like how things are right now, go ahead and vote McCain. But if you want to see the middle class restored, our educational system righted, and real investment in alternative energy, while using diplomacy instead of bombs to solve conflicts overseas, vote Barack Obama.

YES WE CAN!!! *OBAMA '08*
 
KMUDD said:
I don't know who dirthound is.

I was answering your question on ( How does the government (or Obama) redistribute the wealth he or the government doesn't control or own? )

This buyup is a way to gain control/ownership. No, obama isn't the brains behind it, he's just a puppet. That's a good question on which gov't owns them. China?

Both parties are crooked bastards in it for themselves, I'm voting for the lesser of two eveils.

Kenny Mudd
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Don't let anyone tell you voting for your principles is a waste. If you spend your time voting against a greater evil instead of for the good you really want, how will you ever get it? It's a theme that I find rather disturbing.

It seems to me that people know at some deep inherent level that something is not quite right with our political process and the people that are thrusts in front of us every four years but they go along with it because they do not know what to do or as I have heard people say, ” well I am only one person” . It is clear that people have been conditioned and brainwashed into believing they are powerless when in fact they have the power. It is time that we as a nation realized that.

Most of us are aware that something is not quite right, but most people never act on that belief. People have now been conditoned to think that anyone who thinks outside of the norm in terms of how our government and the world works are crazy or anti-government.

Find a candidate that you can believe in. I've already stated my preference. A handy guide is available at http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm It includes all of the major and alternative candidates. Get involved, research, and vote with pride, not with despair!
 
As for experience....Barack Obama would have more experience on the Federal level of Government than the following:
BUSH CLINTON REAGAN BUT HE'S STILL PUP compared to MCCAIN
 
Oh, and what has McCain done to bring change to government in the years he's been in office? Hmmmm? "I voted with Bush over 90% of time, even more than my Republican counterparts." That's not something I would be proud of, considering Bush is a monkey with a hand grenade.
 
Good god, that's garbage, hound. That's the most edited, taken out of context, piece of crap that you've posted yet. I think even Republicans cringed at that.

Your hatred for Barack Obama is starting to have me a bit concerned.
 
moonflow said:
Good god, that's garbage, hound. That's the most edited, taken out of context, piece of crap that you've posted yet. I think even Republicans cringed at that.

Your hatred for Barack Obama is starting to have me a bit concerned.
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Block him and feel the serenity.
 
He's just posting to post. Pure and simple. Personally, I think the fact that he is a McCain/Palin zealot is one of the best reasons I can think of to NOT vote for them... lol;)
 
What each of these guys needed to do was wear a suit just like NASCAR drivers do. Then you would see things in a different light. All of the people funding these guys' campaigns right out in the open for all to see plainly and clearly. You people mesmerized by Obama would be floored at who his money is coming from. Plenty of radical groups in his corner. Liberal ideas and veiws for all of them that want things their way. I'm union and my union says to vote for Obama. They asked me if I wanted an Obama shirt the other day and I told them I already had TP. Vote for Obama if you want change alright. Just be aware of what those changes will be.

I don't have all day to sit behind a computer to argue like some of you people. Just because I don't have time to argue my point till my fingers bleed doesn't mean I'm wrong, contrary to some of the liberals on this board. I work all day to make a living and I'll never expect a politician to promise the sky to me only to pull the wool over my eyes. Don't piss on me and tell me its raining. Obama is a wolf in sheep clothing. The liberal congress just gives him more power to expedite his contributors agendas.

I don't listen to any talk radio shows or TV to draw my opinions like some of the liberals on here either. I make make my own decisions based on common sense and rational reasoning. I don't need someone telling me whats right or wrong. I just hope when this crap is all over that I still can look at my paycheck stub and see that I take home a good portion of my pay. I don't need to redistribute my pay to someone that don't want to work.

Hell, maybe I got it all wrong. I should just sit at home and draw a check and have the gov pay my way through life. Government handouts and more mediocrity. Thats what you will get with Obama.
 
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