Scott Wimmer gets DWI

And, I will post this as a second reply, since this is a different point altogether, who the hell put you in charge of what is appropriate to post, and what isnt? You think you in some way have some editorial control over this site? Last time I checked, this was a free country, and there is a little thing when you register that says your responsible for what you post. RG didnt do a darn thing wrong posting this information about Wimmer, so get over it. Its news, its racing, and its relevant. And it is a highly debatable issue. Sorry it doesnt fit into your world view, but it aint your world is it? We all live in it, and it aint bashing anybody when its a cold hard fact. And posting the Wimmer story isnt dragging personal private information from dubious sources and putting it out for public consumption, it is simply repeating what is already public knowledge and fact.

Your comment about "it must be hormones" is actually sexist and degrading. Your the one with the problem, Motsinger, no one else.
 
dean,the only problem i had with it was your "hormones " comment. if you want to start the personal attacks, i can personally guarantee i'm going to say something about it.i can also guarantee you won't like it. and i WILL win. that is another guarantee.
 
Mr. Motsinger,
I assure you that my estrogen, progesterone and even testosterone levels are where they should be.
Thanks for your concern about my health.
 
wimmer thoughts...

dean,i am with you and i beleive you hit the nail right on the head.midget racer i like your way of threats,you will win,i bet there are some poeple that can spill some beans on you also,so maybe you outta think before you speak..i see nothing wrong with what dean says,you all have bashed him for his opinion just as bad as he bashed RG with the hormones line.it kinda seems like dean jumps off a bridge and you all follow,he bashes so you bash.it is ok for all you to voice your opinions but it is wrong for dean to voice his...later!
 
HEY DEAN

HOW ABOUT WHATEVER YOU DONT THINK IS APPROPRIATE TO POST ON HEAR YOU SKIP RIGHT OVER THE POST INSTEAD OF POSTING USELESS THOUGHTS
 
Thanks Jimmy C.

No its not my world, If I was God I would make you mute, If I was Jimmy D., I would make you read only.

Yes it is debatable wrether or not things like that should be placed on boards like this, and then it is another debate wrether or not the admins should remove such posts. I feel it is definately not the kind of things that should be posted here, but I do not have an opinion about if it should be removed or not. If it was about a local racer I would definately think it should be removed.

todd nie, you are so chronically wrong that by having you disagree with something gives it credibility, conversly(did I spell that corectly), anything you agree with or say you destroy the credibility of.

I never said anything about when there is an accident involved, that is when the laws are often to leanient. I am a strong proponant of the death penalty, if you are drunk, and driving to fast, in the wrong lane, running stop sings, or something else to add to the danger, and kill some one they should execute you. For that matter if you are driving 100 miles an hour on the highway, the wrong way in a one way area, or running stop sings, and you are completly sober, just stupid(like Tnie) and kill someone you should be punished capitally. If you hurt someone badly and they live you should be punished severly.
 
hehe..thats funny there..mr. p motorsports..i like your humor.This is America,as we are all free to speak. We also are all free to react to an inappropriate insult as well.I really doubt anyone is going to jump off a bridge anytime soon here.As far as anyone posting something about me(spill the beans,as you say),as long as it's the truth or has some reasonable value,i say bring it on.i'm not skeered.i was merely stating that attacks on my family will not be tolerated.that is all.i hope you can understand that.
 
wimmer

midget man,

you said one thing today and i do agree with it,thats freedom of speech so why is everyone bashin dean for his thoughts.as for spilling the beans i dont know you personally so i have nothing to spill but im sure someone has something on you and i was simply stating watch what you spill on someone else cause it will surely bite you in the a** in the long run..and as for being scared,i aint skeered either,if i was id go to church(theres your humor)...

RG,ok let me refrase when i said everyone is bashin,rg you are one of the few that is not bashin and probably the one who is most acting their age and not shoe size.

dean i agree with most everything you have said besides a couple minor things,but im not gonna bash you for your thoughts,they are your thoughts and beleifs,nothin wrong with that buddy!!
 
I wasn't intending to insult RG, midget man, you are touchy or something. Maybe I am just misunderstood. For the reccord the "not my world" sentence was directed at Tnie.

Why are you threatening to dig up or post dirt you have on me for typing that it is not apropriate to post that kind of stuff on here? At least you are not threatening me with violence yet.

The only time anyone has ever called me Mr Motsinger, they were either giving me a ticket, threatening to arrest me, or trying to sell me stuff I don't want. Im not old my Grandpa is Mr.Motsinger.

I have been thinking about bashing Tnie, but a battle of wits with an unarmed man would be no fun.
 
That is the name of this post. Plain and clear.

It seems as though if you think that there is an inappropriate post on this site, then maybe you shouldn't have opened it up and read what it had to say.

No offense to anyone, but I am not a big fan of Sprint Cars or Midgets. Therefore, I usually don't read posts that pertain to them.

I also didn't read the posts about who will win the Super Bowl or any of the Rams Football stuff (except for Jimmy D's post on the half-time show). I personally do not believe that baseball, football, hockey or any other non-motorsport events should be on here. Therefore I choose not to read these particular posts. The St. Louis area has ALWAYS been supportive of all of their sports teams (although the racing community does not get much major attention). The fact that the Motorsports community takes time to acknowledge the other sports as well, just speaks out that our sport is BETTER!:D I respect people's right to post what they want.

What it comes down to is this - IF YOU SEE A POST ON HERE THAT YOU FEEL IS INAPPROPRIATE - DON'T READ IT!

The Wimmer article very much affects the local racing community. Maybe what happened to Wimmer will teach all of us a lesson and make us think the next time we drink a few after the races.

As a former Law Enforcement Officer, I have heard arguments such as Mr. Motsinger's time and time again. Then I hear the OTHER stories, and have had to work many accidents in which lives were lost. There was a time that I followed a car that I believed was a drunk driver (based off of past experience). Unfortunately, I had absolutely no probable cause to stop him. I followed him for a reasonable amount of time and no violations occured. I recieved another call from dispatch and had to respond to it so I let go without stopping him.

Twenty minutes later, I got another call. This time it was a one-vehicle accident that was reported in the same area as where the previous guy was headed. Upon my arrival, I found that it was the same Chevy Cavalier that I was following a few minutes earlier. A row of mailboxes was destroyed and the car went through a fence and straight into a tree. Luckily, all the guy had was a broken nose. He tested drunk and was charged as such.

It seems as though Mr. Motsinger assumes that the only people that deserve a DWI are the ones that are involved in accidents or are driving so bad that it is OBVIOUS that they are drunk. Everyone else has the right to drive with an illegal amount of alcohol in their system so long as they can keep it between the lines.

Alot of your drunk driving accidents happen closer to the home rather than the bar. This is because some people feel fine after they leave the bar. What they don't realize is that the alcohol is still being absorbed into the blood stream from their stomach, affecting their abilities and usually increasing their impairedness for quite some time after that list drink.

In a perfect world, it would be great if there were a tool that a Law Enforcement Officer could use to determine how impaired a driver actually is. No tool exists.

Alcohol affects everyone very differently. The only guideline we have to go on, other than field sobriety tests are the Blood Alcohol Levels as set by the State. This level was derived after much scientific research and "the average person's" impairment level.

If I have to make a mistake and pull someone over who I suspect is drunk, and have probable cause to do so (such as a tailight out or whatever) then you better bet I will be happy to make that mistake. I'd rather pull someone over for something minor and find out that they are sober rather than ignore it and then find out that they WERE drunk after all.

Luckily the guy that I didn't pull over that ended up crashing anyway, only suffered a broken nose due to the deployment of the airbag. He only caused property damage to the land owner's property and not any member of his family or anyone else who was on the road that early morning. If things would have been different, and other people would have been involved, that is a mistake that I, nor any Law Enforcement officer would not be able to apologize for.

So, yes, I think the fact that Wimmer made a mistake, got caught and now must pay the cosequences which may affect his racing career, should be a real eye-opener for the racing world. If it reaches just one person's eyes and keeps them from driving drunk, then it was worth it. If nothing else, it awakens the fact that just because you can drive a racecar, doesn't mean you are "the World's Greatest Driver" and can drive under any circumstances.

A guy like Scott Wimmer is a perfect example. I am glad that it was posted on here and hope that it opens the eyes of many.

But, like I originally said, if you don't think it is appropriate, then DON'T READ IT!

I disagree with pretty much EVERYTHING Mr. Motsinger has said. That is his opinion. I am not going to bash him or anything. I hope like hell that reality doesn't sneak up on him and teach him what way too many people already know. Yes, the laws aren't perfect, but they are the best that we have to work with. Sometimes they work, sometimes they do not. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a perfect world. But, we have to make do with what we have and make the best of it and hope that everything works out ok.

Let's face it, in a perfect world, we'd all be driving Fords and we wouldn't have all the fun and rivalry watching the GM and MOPAR guys trying to keep up.:D :) :D :) :D
 
i do not have any 'dirt' on you,dean;nor do i intend to look for any. so, i'm kinda puzzled why you posted the 2nd paragraph there in your last post. i'm really a non-violent person;so much so that i've NEVER been in a fight in my life.people see things my way without resorting to that stuff.i will never threaten violence to anyone.other ways are SOOO much more fun. do and say as you wish;this is a free country. but a word of friendly advice:don't mess with t.nie. the guy is an intellectual genius.he will make you look REAL foolish. another guarantee. hehe.:D i am done with this subject. have a nice day.
 
28jracer, you have misunderstood me, I do not think that it should be horribly obvious that you are plastered to get stopped, or a ticket, and you have some very good points about the delayed absorbtion and stuff. You also bring up some points that support my opinion of the laws about how every one is affected differently, how can you have a system that holds everyone to the standard of the most easily affected? I view driving on the streets and highways as a thing best avoided in any condition, it is dangerous in many ways for many reasons.
 
And not a single example of how the drink driving laws are too harsh.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I am really happy you dont like me or agree with my views Dean. If you did, I would really be concerned about the kind of person I had become.;) :cool:
 
I am confused. Is this a forum about Scott Wimmer, a forum about DWI's (DUI if you are in Illinois), or a forum being used for a couple of guys to insult each other. Make up your mind so I know how to respond! Just in case I will make the following responses:
1. Scott Wimmer screwed up and should face the consequences, learn from his mistake, and go on with life.
2. The DUI laws are great. The problem comes from the ability to enforce them.
3. I do not know any of you so I remain neutral!
 
THE LINE HAS TO DRAWN SOMEWHERE, AND .08 IS THE LINE. IF YOU CUT A BREAK TO THE DUDE AT .08. THE GUY AT .10 IS THINKING HE IS SHOULD GET ONE TO CUZ HE JUST A LITTLE MORE........AND SO ON AND SO ON!

LAWS ARE LAWS. I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM, BUT IF YOU OBEY THEM YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
 
I feel that I have forgotton to mention one thing.

I do not reccomend to anyone, or intend myself to break any laws that are in effect, and enforced to any degree. No matter how poorley written, fairly or unfairly enforced any laws are it is very unwise to break them.
 
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