told you so dude. have fun at the drr
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ShunJunJunShunJun
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Nothing is set in stone yet. And if we have to race somewhere else...well so be it.
If you go back and read the 1st post MR. NO-IT-ALL it does not say anything about the mini-stocks...
So just stay out this....O wait I forgot...your trying to help the track out.
PITDRIFTER
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I AGREE 100%. IF THEY ARE BROUGHT IN IT AND THE PAY IS WORTH IT, IT WILL BE UP TO THE RACERS TO MAKE IT WORK. IF NOT OH WELL, IT WILL SUC HAVING A RACE CAR IN THE SHOP WITH FEW PLACES TO RACE IT.
How many guys would run Fredricktown???
How many guys would run Fredricktown if ULMA were to sanction the Late Model class? The management is looking at this pretty hard, but need some commitment from drivers. I think this would be awesome, but we need to step up to make it happen. If you're interested, let them know. GO ULMA!!
How many guys would run Fredricktown if ULMA were to sanction the Late Model class? The management is looking at this pretty hard, but need some commitment from drivers. I think this would be awesome, but we need to step up to make it happen. If you're interested, let them know. GO ULMA!!
I agree! It doesn't make sense to try & start another class. There are already crates in the area & the class continues to grow everyday! The Rock doesn't need to switch classes every year do they? Stick with something & make it grow! Sure the crate class wasn't that big last year, but in all honesty, the track opened late in the season & most were already points racing elsewhere. Crates will not support the UMLA on a consitent basis. The management at the Rock better stick with a plan or they will never make it in the racing business. Not bashing, just stating facts.
Groove Grabber
Blood Type: Motor Oil
go Crates, it draws racers new and old. Motors are dang near indestructable so you'll get a larger percentage of cars everyweek that arent working on their engines. I know when we ran steel block, it seemed like we always had 3 or 4 guys out with a blown engine, no engine, or some kind of problem that comes when guys who race on a budget,build engines themselves. Crate cars will lead to more consistent car counts. For instance this season their wasnt a large number of them(because they started to late) but vary rarely did someone miss a night out of that group, Just cant beat Dependability
Let's compare numbers here.......
Once again I think the UMLA sounds like a good deal but is it what a track like the Rock needs? The Rock needs a solid base of cars to be able to pull from. Can the UMLA provide that? How many UMLA cars are there in the tri-state area? Alot of the under budget late model teams run aluminum heads even if they are a steel block. Many also run a dry sump system as well.
Now lets talk about crate late models..... how many are in the tri-state area ( Southern, IL-Western, KY-SouthEast MO) that the Rock could draw from? I believe it is way more than the UMLA type cars can offer.
Here is a list of the drivers from the tri-state area that ran crates in the now defunct C.A.R.S. Series in 2007......
1. #2x Nick Lyons 1859 (30)/(24)
2. #00 Josh Harris 1763 (30)/(2)
3. #35 Matt Liner 1741 (30)/(11)
4. #56 Jeff Walston 1731 (30)/(15)
5. #14C Shane Cockrum 1676 (30)/(13)
6. #U2 Danny Jolly 1666 (30)/(5)
7. #R52 Rylan Dagg 1652 (30)/(6)
8. #01 Casey Montague 1568 (30)/(1)
9. #5S Chuck Still 1552 (30)/(4)
10. #D55 Daniel Heck 1538 (30)/(1)
11. #6 Ray Emling, Jr 1530 (30)/(1)
12. #59 Aaron Heck 1456 (30)/(2)
13. #B9 Brent Burnett 1349 (28)/(1)
14. #227 Ricky Gilbert 1327 (26)
15. #71 Louie Baker, Jr 1321 (30)
16. #89 Credence Mott 1303 (30)
17. #6 Troy English 1279 (23)/(3)
18. #16 Garrett Britton 1211 (28)
19. #81 Clint Collins 1201 (26)
20. #84 Ron Myers 1168 (22)/(6)
21. #2R Adam Ray 1168 (26)
22. #9 Robbie Sanders 1157 (22)/(1)
23. #X Chris Winters 1083 (2)/(1)
24. #41 Don Young 1117 (22)/(2)
25. #3G Phil Gregory 1075 (23)
26. #14T Mike King 1074 (26)
27. #K13 Cary King 1046 (26)
28. #18 Tait Davenport 1046 (19)/(4)
29. #36 Ron Sensel 989 (19)/(1)
30. #25 Steve Hobbs 957 (19)
31. #. Brandon Imhoff 932 (17)/(4)
32. #10 Steve Beach 872 (17)
33. #35 Mike Galloway 834 (20)
34.#10 James Burrell 821 (20)
35. #T3 Kevin Henderson817 (18)
36. #54 Dillan White 808 (16)
37. #92S Matt Santel 796 (22)
38. #77 Jason McBride 758 (16)
39. #99 Chuck Adams 757 (15)/(1)
40. #7x Todd McCoin 750 (16)
41. #67 Mark Oller 744 (16)/(5)
42. #84 Tyler Diebert 737 (18)
43. #18 Bobby Dauderman 734 (14)
44. #. Chuck Pederson 730 (15)
45. #23 Brian McCormick726 (16)
46. #24 Darin Walker 711 (13)/(5)
47. #49 Larry Grisham 708 (22)
48. #. Mike Berger 708 (16)
49. #17J Jeff Paterson 697 (22)
50. #96 Tanner English 686 (13)/(2)
51. #95 Chris Lapp 656 (13)/(1)
52. #25 Javen Payne 646 (13)
53. #C7 Mike Moore 624 (17)
54. #22 Payton Coleman 612 (17)
55. #L88 Willie Lang 604 (16)
56. #38 Rick Fuller 600 (15)
57. #11 Cody Tomes 565 (14)
58. #37 Danny Moser 553 (10)
59. #. Willie Hinnah 532 (14)
60. #316 Garrett Russell 522 (15)
61. #07 Ronnie Binckley 520 (13)
62. #J88 James Lang 498 (17)
63. #72 Brad Yotter 492 (13)
64. #3 Josh Belcher 471 (10)
65. #. Darren Evers 466 (11)
66. #45T Trista Stevenson456 (12)
67. #13H Scott Hutchinson455 (9)/(1)
68. #88 Chris Bolyard 449 (10)
69. # Austin Flint 427 (13)
70 #. Shane Merrill 416 (9)
71. #10 Rodney Pense 414 (9)
72. #00 Glenn Stephens 414 (10)
73. #6K Matt Weidner 394 (8)
74. #92 Brant Keher 388 (12)
75. #49 Kevin Harden 385 (7)
76. #48 Brian Parsons 384 (9)
77. #48 Hunter Vaughn 374 (11)
78. #51 B.J. Deal 367 (7)
79. #30 Ryan Seger 366 (10)
80. #5 Jim Still 365 (10)
81. #29 JR Baize 356 (7)
82. #. Chris Cox 344 (9)
83. #12 Allen Thomas 336 (6)
84. #45 Mike Jessup 334 (8)
85. #2 Kim Quillman 331 (10)
86. #22 Darrell Moser 317 (6)
87. #Troy Williams 310 (8)
88. #29 Joseph Mike 300 (10)
89. #25 Mike Flint 282 (9)
90. #85 Tim Burdell 278 (7)
91. #11 Todd Rust 274 (6)
92. # Casey Mans 274 (7)
93. #15 Jason Jones 262 (7)
94. #. Tracey Cottrell 260 (6)
95. #RC1 Brian Caudle 248 (6)
96. #85 Eddie Pursell 247 (6)
97. #95 Danny Sissom 240 (5)
98. #. Roderick Russell 232 (6)
99 #. Craig Bessenger 226 (6)
100. #7 Jason Perry 222 (6)
101. #32 Vince Grondzki 218 (6)
102. #74 John Crenshaw 217 (7)
103. #62 Mark Sanders 211 (7)
104. #12 Kevin Poole 209 (5)
105. #41 Steve Maisel 208 (5)
106. #7 John Tindal 203 (4)/(1)
107. #18 Shawn Rayfield 194 (4)
108. #28B Wesley Briggs 193 (5)
109. #15S Rick Squires 187 (6)
110. #77 Kent Shoeck 185 (4)
111. #1H Wayne Hardison 182 (4)
112. #49 Tom Seets Sr. 182 (5)
113. #66 Chris Hall 178 (4)
114. #31 Rodney Sanderfer170 (3)
115. #Ahlee Lancaster 154 (4)
116. #51 Joe Cooksey 146 (4)
117. #182 Randle Sweeney144 (3)/(1)
118. #49 Rick Sowders 141 (3)
119. #30 Joe Green 135 (4)
120. #10 DJ Cygan 131 (5)
121. #59 Josh Carroll 127 (3)
122. #49 John Seets 126 (3)
123 #10 Kevin Cole 116 (2)
124. #10 Clay Baumann 113 (2)
125. #49C Brad Cummings108 (2)
126. #10 Jimmy Burwell 107 (2)
127. #15 Will Hicks 105 (3)
128 #16 Mike Hammerle 102 (2)
129. #87 Kenny Rumble 102 (2)
130. #U21 Chad Burks 100 (2)
131. #11 Brian Diveley 100 (2)
132. #D11 Dean Morgan 96 (3)
133. #25 Brad Murphy 92 (2)
134. #. Mike Lowerly 91 (2)
135. #316 Bill Russell
136 #17 Joe Dresch
137. # 20 Eric Calvert
138. #73 Brian McGee
139. #80 Dave Kerr
140. #. Kenny Edwards
141. #22 Phil Walker
142. #01 Jarred Harris 71
143. #7L Steve Long, Jr 70
144. #49 Bart Reese 70
145. #11K Shanon Kuhn 69
146. #27 Rodney Melvin 68
147. #20 Larry Seay 68
148. #50 Ed Dixon 64
149. #15 Paydon Pelphrey 63
150 #35 Todd Coffman 60
151. #59 Chad Evans 60
152. #92K Tom Krankle 58
153. #. Jared Harris 58
154. #7 Larry Hogancamp57
155. #88 Bobby Proctor
156. #16 Scott Britton
157. #. Robbie Wright
158. #59 Steve Cole
159. #93 Charles Zimmerman
160. #31 Timmy Fohne
161. #47 Steve Sutliff
162. #29 Tony Gipson
163. #62 Tommie Seets, Jr
164 .#36 Tom Schmidt
165. John Cortney
166. #74 John Strizinski
167. #1 Jim Moon
168 #14 Jason Sissom
169. Chris Jackson 42
170. #49C Brad Barrow 42
171. Tom Frasher 42
172. # 59 George Carroll 41
173. #92 Mark Faust
174. #42 Mark Edwards 40
175. #66m Neal Meredith 40
176. #. Shelby Thacker 38
177. # John Crouch 36
178. #0 John Berlin 36
179. Scott Geaschel
180 #17 Paul Carlish
181. #11 Matt Goulden
182. #51 AJ Cooksey
183. #92 Tony Menzines
184. #10b Everett Bradham
185. #30 Tom Carson
186. #49 Mike Watson
187. #17S Brad Sullivan
188. #49 Jayson Rainey
189. Donnie Taylor
190. #29 Joe Mike
191. #77 Neil McPhillips
192. #1 Mark Heizner
193. #9 Terry James
194. # Zane Morgan
Almost 200 alone right there that raced crates in the tri-state area. Now add in the 40-50 that ran Fastrak in the area & you have around 250 crate late models you could possibly pull from. More cars are being built as we speak also!
Can we see a list of UMLA cars that the Rock could pull in?
No matter if it is Fastrak or UMP, it is obvious the best choice for the Rock is CRATE LATE MODELS!
The Rock is in the best spot to pull many of the cars listed above for the simple fact that they are pretty centrally located to all these teams. The Rock can & will pull cars from KY, IL & MO.
Just because the UMLA folks may be beating on the door at the Rock the hardest doesn't mean they should be the ones let in.
Again, can we see a list of the guys that are interested in the UMLA?
Think about it Rock Management, do what is best for your track.
Once again I think the UMLA sounds like a good deal but is it what a track like the Rock needs? The Rock needs a solid base of cars to be able to pull from. Can the UMLA provide that? How many UMLA cars are there in the tri-state area? Alot of the under budget late model teams run aluminum heads even if they are a steel block. Many also run a dry sump system as well.
Now lets talk about crate late models..... how many are in the tri-state area ( Southern, IL-Western, KY-SouthEast MO) that the Rock could draw from? I believe it is way more than the UMLA type cars can offer.
Here is a list of the drivers from the tri-state area that ran crates in the now defunct C.A.R.S. Series in 2007......
1. #2x Nick Lyons 1859 (30)/(24)
2. #00 Josh Harris 1763 (30)/(2)
3. #35 Matt Liner 1741 (30)/(11)
4. #56 Jeff Walston 1731 (30)/(15)
5. #14C Shane Cockrum 1676 (30)/(13)
6. #U2 Danny Jolly 1666 (30)/(5)
7. #R52 Rylan Dagg 1652 (30)/(6)
8. #01 Casey Montague 1568 (30)/(1)
9. #5S Chuck Still 1552 (30)/(4)
10. #D55 Daniel Heck 1538 (30)/(1)
11. #6 Ray Emling, Jr 1530 (30)/(1)
12. #59 Aaron Heck 1456 (30)/(2)
13. #B9 Brent Burnett 1349 (28)/(1)
14. #227 Ricky Gilbert 1327 (26)
15. #71 Louie Baker, Jr 1321 (30)
16. #89 Credence Mott 1303 (30)
17. #6 Troy English 1279 (23)/(3)
18. #16 Garrett Britton 1211 (28)
19. #81 Clint Collins 1201 (26)
20. #84 Ron Myers 1168 (22)/(6)
21. #2R Adam Ray 1168 (26)
22. #9 Robbie Sanders 1157 (22)/(1)
23. #X Chris Winters 1083 (2)/(1)
24. #41 Don Young 1117 (22)/(2)
25. #3G Phil Gregory 1075 (23)
26. #14T Mike King 1074 (26)
27. #K13 Cary King 1046 (26)
28. #18 Tait Davenport 1046 (19)/(4)
29. #36 Ron Sensel 989 (19)/(1)
30. #25 Steve Hobbs 957 (19)
31. #. Brandon Imhoff 932 (17)/(4)
32. #10 Steve Beach 872 (17)
33. #35 Mike Galloway 834 (20)
34.#10 James Burrell 821 (20)
35. #T3 Kevin Henderson817 (18)
36. #54 Dillan White 808 (16)
37. #92S Matt Santel 796 (22)
38. #77 Jason McBride 758 (16)
39. #99 Chuck Adams 757 (15)/(1)
40. #7x Todd McCoin 750 (16)
41. #67 Mark Oller 744 (16)/(5)
42. #84 Tyler Diebert 737 (18)
43. #18 Bobby Dauderman 734 (14)
44. #. Chuck Pederson 730 (15)
45. #23 Brian McCormick726 (16)
46. #24 Darin Walker 711 (13)/(5)
47. #49 Larry Grisham 708 (22)
48. #. Mike Berger 708 (16)
49. #17J Jeff Paterson 697 (22)
50. #96 Tanner English 686 (13)/(2)
51. #95 Chris Lapp 656 (13)/(1)
52. #25 Javen Payne 646 (13)
53. #C7 Mike Moore 624 (17)
54. #22 Payton Coleman 612 (17)
55. #L88 Willie Lang 604 (16)
56. #38 Rick Fuller 600 (15)
57. #11 Cody Tomes 565 (14)
58. #37 Danny Moser 553 (10)
59. #. Willie Hinnah 532 (14)
60. #316 Garrett Russell 522 (15)
61. #07 Ronnie Binckley 520 (13)
62. #J88 James Lang 498 (17)
63. #72 Brad Yotter 492 (13)
64. #3 Josh Belcher 471 (10)
65. #. Darren Evers 466 (11)
66. #45T Trista Stevenson456 (12)
67. #13H Scott Hutchinson455 (9)/(1)
68. #88 Chris Bolyard 449 (10)
69. # Austin Flint 427 (13)
70 #. Shane Merrill 416 (9)
71. #10 Rodney Pense 414 (9)
72. #00 Glenn Stephens 414 (10)
73. #6K Matt Weidner 394 (8)
74. #92 Brant Keher 388 (12)
75. #49 Kevin Harden 385 (7)
76. #48 Brian Parsons 384 (9)
77. #48 Hunter Vaughn 374 (11)
78. #51 B.J. Deal 367 (7)
79. #30 Ryan Seger 366 (10)
80. #5 Jim Still 365 (10)
81. #29 JR Baize 356 (7)
82. #. Chris Cox 344 (9)
83. #12 Allen Thomas 336 (6)
84. #45 Mike Jessup 334 (8)
85. #2 Kim Quillman 331 (10)
86. #22 Darrell Moser 317 (6)
87. #Troy Williams 310 (8)
88. #29 Joseph Mike 300 (10)
89. #25 Mike Flint 282 (9)
90. #85 Tim Burdell 278 (7)
91. #11 Todd Rust 274 (6)
92. # Casey Mans 274 (7)
93. #15 Jason Jones 262 (7)
94. #. Tracey Cottrell 260 (6)
95. #RC1 Brian Caudle 248 (6)
96. #85 Eddie Pursell 247 (6)
97. #95 Danny Sissom 240 (5)
98. #. Roderick Russell 232 (6)
99 #. Craig Bessenger 226 (6)
100. #7 Jason Perry 222 (6)
101. #32 Vince Grondzki 218 (6)
102. #74 John Crenshaw 217 (7)
103. #62 Mark Sanders 211 (7)
104. #12 Kevin Poole 209 (5)
105. #41 Steve Maisel 208 (5)
106. #7 John Tindal 203 (4)/(1)
107. #18 Shawn Rayfield 194 (4)
108. #28B Wesley Briggs 193 (5)
109. #15S Rick Squires 187 (6)
110. #77 Kent Shoeck 185 (4)
111. #1H Wayne Hardison 182 (4)
112. #49 Tom Seets Sr. 182 (5)
113. #66 Chris Hall 178 (4)
114. #31 Rodney Sanderfer170 (3)
115. #Ahlee Lancaster 154 (4)
116. #51 Joe Cooksey 146 (4)
117. #182 Randle Sweeney144 (3)/(1)
118. #49 Rick Sowders 141 (3)
119. #30 Joe Green 135 (4)
120. #10 DJ Cygan 131 (5)
121. #59 Josh Carroll 127 (3)
122. #49 John Seets 126 (3)
123 #10 Kevin Cole 116 (2)
124. #10 Clay Baumann 113 (2)
125. #49C Brad Cummings108 (2)
126. #10 Jimmy Burwell 107 (2)
127. #15 Will Hicks 105 (3)
128 #16 Mike Hammerle 102 (2)
129. #87 Kenny Rumble 102 (2)
130. #U21 Chad Burks 100 (2)
131. #11 Brian Diveley 100 (2)
132. #D11 Dean Morgan 96 (3)
133. #25 Brad Murphy 92 (2)
134. #. Mike Lowerly 91 (2)
135. #316 Bill Russell
136 #17 Joe Dresch
137. # 20 Eric Calvert
138. #73 Brian McGee
139. #80 Dave Kerr
140. #. Kenny Edwards
141. #22 Phil Walker
142. #01 Jarred Harris 71
143. #7L Steve Long, Jr 70
144. #49 Bart Reese 70
145. #11K Shanon Kuhn 69
146. #27 Rodney Melvin 68
147. #20 Larry Seay 68
148. #50 Ed Dixon 64
149. #15 Paydon Pelphrey 63
150 #35 Todd Coffman 60
151. #59 Chad Evans 60
152. #92K Tom Krankle 58
153. #. Jared Harris 58
154. #7 Larry Hogancamp57
155. #88 Bobby Proctor
156. #16 Scott Britton
157. #. Robbie Wright
158. #59 Steve Cole
159. #93 Charles Zimmerman
160. #31 Timmy Fohne
161. #47 Steve Sutliff
162. #29 Tony Gipson
163. #62 Tommie Seets, Jr
164 .#36 Tom Schmidt
165. John Cortney
166. #74 John Strizinski
167. #1 Jim Moon
168 #14 Jason Sissom
169. Chris Jackson 42
170. #49C Brad Barrow 42
171. Tom Frasher 42
172. # 59 George Carroll 41
173. #92 Mark Faust
174. #42 Mark Edwards 40
175. #66m Neal Meredith 40
176. #. Shelby Thacker 38
177. # John Crouch 36
178. #0 John Berlin 36
179. Scott Geaschel
180 #17 Paul Carlish
181. #11 Matt Goulden
182. #51 AJ Cooksey
183. #92 Tony Menzines
184. #10b Everett Bradham
185. #30 Tom Carson
186. #49 Mike Watson
187. #17S Brad Sullivan
188. #49 Jayson Rainey
189. Donnie Taylor
190. #29 Joe Mike
191. #77 Neil McPhillips
192. #1 Mark Heizner
193. #9 Terry James
194. # Zane Morgan
Almost 200 alone right there that raced crates in the tri-state area. Now add in the 40-50 that ran Fastrak in the area & you have around 250 crate late models you could possibly pull from. More cars are being built as we speak also!
Can we see a list of UMLA cars that the Rock could pull in?
No matter if it is Fastrak or UMP, it is obvious the best choice for the Rock is CRATE LATE MODELS!
The Rock is in the best spot to pull many of the cars listed above for the simple fact that they are pretty centrally located to all these teams. The Rock can & will pull cars from KY, IL & MO.
Just because the UMLA folks may be beating on the door at the Rock the hardest doesn't mean they should be the ones let in.
Again, can we see a list of the guys that are interested in the UMLA?
Think about it Rock Management, do what is best for your track.
ShunJunJunShunJun
New Member
thats alot of cars...however, last year if I remember correctly the Crate Late Models had a small car count and high payout. There were a couple races where the car count was good, but overall i remember the LM class to have a low car count. Now Im not saying that it is not possible to pull them to the Rock...Im just going off of what I saw last year. I would love to see the LMs run at The Rock. I would love to see atleast 20 of the 200 cars you listed show up here. The question is will they?
Groove Grabber
Blood Type: Motor Oil
the answer is yes, and heres why. Last season you started late, all of the se mo. cars pretty much committed to tri city because of it being 1st season, new track, great exposure and etc. Of the ones who didnt, they were fastrak and since the goodyears arent allowed, they didnt mess with it. Honestly, It was not really your fault you didnt get those cars because there has been a mild competition going on(friendly, I might add) between Fastrak and Cars. So the guys who ran Fastrak, for the most part supported only fastrak because thay want to see their series do well, just like I did with CARS. So you were really just kinda caught in the middle. I do believe most have put that behind them how and understand that these tracks need support no matter the crate sanction jmo
Shane is right with every word he posted above.
Did I just say that??....LOL
Shane, let me know when you are ready for me to hold that Canister Shock class at C ockrum Motorsports, dates are being booked & going fast....LOL.. Just kiddin
Well, that list looks impressive, but..............
You show almost 200 names there, but I can tell you that over 100 of those names are drivers running with a full UMP car. They may have run a show or two with a crate engine, but they aren't going to run a crate for a regular show. Now, with that said ULMA allows Crate cars, too. They just give the option for you to run an open steel motor of your choice as well. Doesn't it make sense that by allowing open steel motors within the stated rules you would pull MORE cars, and not less? Heck, there will also be guys that were running A-modifieds that can pull their motor and put it into a Late Model chassis and compete this way as well. You would have to purchase a crate with all of the other accessories the way that you propose. Yes, I'm lobbying hard for ULMA. I have seen it work on the other side of the state. Currently, I have a full blown UMP Modified race-ready and I will run Pevely, Mt. Vernon, Belle Claire, or Paducah if this doesn't work, but I also have a brand new W.T. Harris Late Model and would rather run the Rock with a Steel Mopar motor if I can. I do not work for ULMA. I'm just a racer from Jackson that's looking for a place to run my car closer than pulling all the way to Jefferson City every week. Go ULMA!!
You show almost 200 names there, but I can tell you that over 100 of those names are drivers running with a full UMP car. They may have run a show or two with a crate engine, but they aren't going to run a crate for a regular show. Now, with that said ULMA allows Crate cars, too. They just give the option for you to run an open steel motor of your choice as well. Doesn't it make sense that by allowing open steel motors within the stated rules you would pull MORE cars, and not less? Heck, there will also be guys that were running A-modifieds that can pull their motor and put it into a Late Model chassis and compete this way as well. You would have to purchase a crate with all of the other accessories the way that you propose. Yes, I'm lobbying hard for ULMA. I have seen it work on the other side of the state. Currently, I have a full blown UMP Modified race-ready and I will run Pevely, Mt. Vernon, Belle Claire, or Paducah if this doesn't work, but I also have a brand new W.T. Harris Late Model and would rather run the Rock with a Steel Mopar motor if I can. I do not work for ULMA. I'm just a racer from Jackson that's looking for a place to run my car closer than pulling all the way to Jefferson City every week. Go ULMA!!
FASTRAK Midwest Touring Series was allowing the Hoosier tires to run with them in 2007. In 2008 the same thing will happen, the only difference will be if you are on Hoosiers you do not get FASTRAK points.The weekley tracks can decide if they run Goodyears only or both tires, that way if you go FASTRAK you will be able to get cars from FASTRAK and any outher crate series that is on Hoosiers like UMP will be.UMP will not allow Goodyears.So it makes sense to with a series that both tires will be able to run.
I know the guys that run Montgomery County are looking for a Fri. night track.
I know the guys that run Montgomery County are looking for a Fri. night track.
Please name the 100 drivers on that list that race a Super Late Model on a regular basis. You might come up with 20 or so, but not 100.
Can we see the list of ULMA drivers in the area? Not trying to be hatefull but the Rock needs car counts. I have provided a list of people who actually race crate late models and are in the area. I don't work for any organization anymore either, just trying to help out where I can by providing some facts.
Fastrak Midwest (the touring series) has proven they can draw good car counts at their events and the Rock should consider booking a show or two with them as well. With the recent events that have played out, I believe you will see the Fastrak Midwest Touring Series draw even more cars at their scheduled events next year in '08.
Sean, I have a question for you..........
Sean, I have a question for you, do you actually race a car yourself? I do, and I want to run at a track closer to my home than 3 hours. This is why I'm advocating ULMA, along with other reasons I've listed before. Also, you ask for a list of ULMA cars in the area. Thats' funny as there aren't any ULMA tracks in this area. That's also why I'm trying to get Fredricktown to go this route. There are crate tracks and the guys that want to run a crate only show can go there if thats' what they're after. I'm all for crate cars running with us, but the problem is that Fastrak won't allow me to run with them. It's a one way street. ULMA allows crates, but Fastrak doesn't allow anything but a Chevrolet and that's not my deal. Can you see my point? ULMA is going strong on the West side of the State and they have good car counts on Saturday nights, as well as at their special shows. They have a good philosophy that was developed by racers that own and drive racecars. They are young as a sanctioning body, but it wasn't that long ago that we were running with the Limited Late Models at St. Francois county and they were bringing in 10-15 cars a night. Add to that the number of crate cars in the area and it makes for a good car count.
Mike Hammerle, Randal Sweeney, and others DO NOT run Crate cars on a regular basis. Add to those names Ed Dixon and others. They also ran Crates at a few shows, but they don't run Crates on Saturday night, they run UMP Super Late Models. I'm also getting together a list of names of drivers that want ULMA and I've been in contact with Fredrock as well. I hope they decide to run ULMA so that those of us that want to build our own motors and run something other than a Chevy have a choice.
Sean, I have a question for you, do you actually race a car yourself? I do, and I want to run at a track closer to my home than 3 hours. This is why I'm advocating ULMA, along with other reasons I've listed before. Also, you ask for a list of ULMA cars in the area. Thats' funny as there aren't any ULMA tracks in this area. That's also why I'm trying to get Fredricktown to go this route. There are crate tracks and the guys that want to run a crate only show can go there if thats' what they're after. I'm all for crate cars running with us, but the problem is that Fastrak won't allow me to run with them. It's a one way street. ULMA allows crates, but Fastrak doesn't allow anything but a Chevrolet and that's not my deal. Can you see my point? ULMA is going strong on the West side of the State and they have good car counts on Saturday nights, as well as at their special shows. They have a good philosophy that was developed by racers that own and drive racecars. They are young as a sanctioning body, but it wasn't that long ago that we were running with the Limited Late Models at St. Francois county and they were bringing in 10-15 cars a night. Add to that the number of crate cars in the area and it makes for a good car count.
Mike Hammerle, Randal Sweeney, and others DO NOT run Crate cars on a regular basis. Add to those names Ed Dixon and others. They also ran Crates at a few shows, but they don't run Crates on Saturday night, they run UMP Super Late Models. I'm also getting together a list of names of drivers that want ULMA and I've been in contact with Fredrock as well. I hope they decide to run ULMA so that those of us that want to build our own motors and run something other than a Chevy have a choice.
zeroracing
New Member
The first year for the series around here had full fields at each track. The classes went from under 10 cars a night to 20+.
ULMA grows very fast, it is a good alternative for people not wanting to run crates, we will run down at your track at least 1 or 2 times if you go ULMA. ULMA grows very fast, a few tracks went crates here and the car counts were low they all dropped them. The other tracks went ULMA and the car count grew.
Good luck in whatever you choose, if you go ULMA you will not be sorry over it and will get some traveling cars coming in for some fun. There are no sanctioning fees for the track with ULMA, and it is non-profit. They did just add impact racing as a sponsor and have some others they are getting and already have.
Do they have $250,000 dollars up for grabs. No, but you can build your own motors, work on them, outdrive cars that overpower the track all the time, dont have to worry about people cheating thier motors, if you want to move from or too mods the motors are the same for the most part so the transition is easier. You can run any make that you want too, for the ford guys and dodge guys this is a bonus.
As far as people having 20000+ in a motor like I hear about for ULMA most the cars are not running that expensive of motors. I have about 5000 in my motor and do not get outmotored much, usually the guys with big money in thier motors will overpower the motor. Not to mention that the same guys that will spend $20,000 on a ULMA motor will be the ones to rebuild the crate to blueprint it and buy every add on, and low friction part to get an advantage. Your not going to stop guys with more money than sense from spending money.
If your worried about car count do like callaway raceway did, run both crates with thier rules and ULMA under thier own rules. The two different weight classes, and tires. Then the track can decide to keep one/can the other or too keep running both. It was good racing the crates won some and ULMA won some. This year the track went with the ULMA only.
Good Luck,
Jason
ULMA grows very fast, it is a good alternative for people not wanting to run crates, we will run down at your track at least 1 or 2 times if you go ULMA. ULMA grows very fast, a few tracks went crates here and the car counts were low they all dropped them. The other tracks went ULMA and the car count grew.
Good luck in whatever you choose, if you go ULMA you will not be sorry over it and will get some traveling cars coming in for some fun. There are no sanctioning fees for the track with ULMA, and it is non-profit. They did just add impact racing as a sponsor and have some others they are getting and already have.
Do they have $250,000 dollars up for grabs. No, but you can build your own motors, work on them, outdrive cars that overpower the track all the time, dont have to worry about people cheating thier motors, if you want to move from or too mods the motors are the same for the most part so the transition is easier. You can run any make that you want too, for the ford guys and dodge guys this is a bonus.
As far as people having 20000+ in a motor like I hear about for ULMA most the cars are not running that expensive of motors. I have about 5000 in my motor and do not get outmotored much, usually the guys with big money in thier motors will overpower the motor. Not to mention that the same guys that will spend $20,000 on a ULMA motor will be the ones to rebuild the crate to blueprint it and buy every add on, and low friction part to get an advantage. Your not going to stop guys with more money than sense from spending money.
If your worried about car count do like callaway raceway did, run both crates with thier rules and ULMA under thier own rules. The two different weight classes, and tires. Then the track can decide to keep one/can the other or too keep running both. It was good racing the crates won some and ULMA won some. This year the track went with the ULMA only.
Good Luck,
Jason
Brad, please don't take it personal because it is not. I just think thata crate late model class works better than a "limited" class, escpecially when the car count is already in the area. I understand your point about building you own engine & being a Mopar guy & all, but the Rock is struggling to make things work and again I feel this is the best thing for them (JMO).
As for the super guys on the list, I went back & counted the super drivers...... guess what, less than 20 on that list.
Again, don't take it personal. One of my best friends (Racer 85) is all for the ULMA and I think it is a good deal....... but not at a struggling place like the Rock. They need car counts.
I understand that the crates can run with the UMLA..... but no weight break and less horses makes it a lot less appealing to the crate guys. The crate guys will go race at the Fastrak & UMP tracks over the UMLA.
As for the super guys on the list, I went back & counted the super drivers...... guess what, less than 20 on that list.
Again, don't take it personal. One of my best friends (Racer 85) is all for the ULMA and I think it is a good deal....... but not at a struggling place like the Rock. They need car counts.
I understand that the crates can run with the UMLA..... but no weight break and less horses makes it a lot less appealing to the crate guys. The crate guys will go race at the Fastrak & UMP tracks over the UMLA.
zeroracing
New Member
The weight brake deal is for ULMA specials or strictly ULMA tracks, when they did a joint deal at callaway the crates had thier own complete rules and ULMA had thiers.
If you showed up at like moberly mo for a ULMA special then you would have to weigh the same as ULMA no matter what. But if your track did both sanctions then you can do the weight brake.
You would have to talk to the ULMA board but they did do dual sanctioning at Callaway last season.
If you showed up at like moberly mo for a ULMA special then you would have to weigh the same as ULMA no matter what. But if your track did both sanctions then you can do the weight brake.
You would have to talk to the ULMA board but they did do dual sanctioning at Callaway last season.
