Then that opens up another pandora's box !
I really enjoy watching Brian race - he was placed in between a rock and a hard spot !
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Then that opens up another pandora's box !
I really enjoy watching Brian race - he was placed in between a rock and a hard spot !I cannot see any reason why Collins didn't have it teched. If you're asked to drive the car, why wouldn't you have it teched? Unless you think there is an issue with it, or you were told not to let them tech it. Then why did you agree to drive the car?
The owner told you to drive it, the official says it needs be teched, what's the problem? Tech it. Don't give me this bs that it wasn't his decision, he was the driver, he is respondsible. Sorry nothing against Collins, he just made a bad decision.
More interestingly, why hasn't nothing been said from Collins or Kerher?
The owner told you to drive it, the official says it needs be teched, what's the problem? Tech it. Don't give me this bs that it wasn't his decision, he was the driver, he is respondsible. Sorry nothing against Collins, he just made a bad decision.
More interestingly, why hasn't nothing been said from Collins or Kerher?
DIRTCHAMP77
Member
Your wrong.. They didnt want to tech it. They wanted to claim the motor for tear down and that would take a few days. Normal tech probably wouldn' t have been an issue. If I was driving someones car and the official said they wanted to take the motor, i would not answer that either. Collins had NO decision on that call and the owner should be the one to make that call. Regardless if it is legal or not. They will never comment on this post as they probably feel it isn't anyone's business what they do. I would wonder why they were able to compete the next night and not be asked to give up the motor on that night. Might not have been the same motor though!! If it were me I would at least post something so everyone knows that I wasn't cheating because it looks that way right now. Makes for good chatting anyways!!!
Thats because they were cheating. So now you all now how he has won so many races in his lifetime. Take it as it is Collins is a cheat, has been and always will be. Or otherwise he would of defended at least something to explain his refusal.
jh11zracefan
Collins Fan
That's because Bloomer fans think he is a God. Bloomer does no wrong. When its a local guy there is more to talk about cause apparently only local guys can cheat.
As for the issue at hand, When you ask someone to driver your car you should tell that person that if there is a claim on the motor to either let them or not let them. If you as the owner want to make that choice then you should be at the scales when the race is over.
UMP should have let the car set in the infield with Bryan standing next to the car. They should have found Mr. Kehrer and asked him, would have taken all of what 5 mins as he is easy to find.
I don't think this makes Bryan or Mr. Kehrer look like cheaters, this was something that was not talked about before the race. Maybe lesson learned.
As far as either Bryan or Mr Kehrer getting on here and saying something, don't think either of them will most driver and owners and there crew don't post anything on here. Even if they did there would still be one nut job on here saying that they are lying or how do we know that it's really Bryan or Mr. Kehrer. So what good would it do?
dirt hound
Registered User
that motor in question might have legs a birdie told me that
jh11zracefan
Collins Fan
So you get in a car that you have never touched, never worked on the motor and that makes you a cheat? WOW that's news to me. The car and motor were not Bryan's to do as he pleased. Like I said before this it should have been talked about when they asked Bryan to race. I'm sure its something that will be talked about now.
Funny you say that Collins is a cheat and always will be. This is the first time I have heard of Bryan being DQed after a race. I have been watching Bryan race since 2002 when MCS opened, I'm not sure how many time his own motor was claimed but he not been DQed in his own car that I'm aware of.
As for an explanation Bryan owes you nothing. It's Bryan's right to say yes or no to anything asked as he is a grown man and knows the rules and consequences.
jh11zracefan
Collins Fan
Does it matter what class of car Scott or anyone else is running when they are caught cheating? No cheating is cheating no matter if it is Pro-4's, street stocks, sportsman, B-Mods, Mods, Pro (Create) Late Mods or Late Mods, or NASCAR.
Kehrer Brothers Motorsports Press Release:
Bryan Collins is not the owner of the car. He was asked to drive the car and that was all he was asked to do. Bryan knew who the owner of the car was and knew it was not his decision to allow/refuse the motor claim. Throughout the entire season, the owner has wanted each and every car he owns to be driven by someone. Earlier in the season, Eric Gowen drove Brants car when Brant was out of town... (he finished 3rd when he drove it and noone mentioned anything about the car at that time). Had the motor been claimed that evening, Eric would not have made that decision either. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last that someone else may drive one of the Kehrer Brothers cars. Another instance, Chad Zobrist driving the 92K at Highland for a crate race. (he finished 4th (i think) that day and would have also let the claim be decided by the car owner). Unfortunately, Brant had an event Saturday night that he did not want to miss; therefore, Bryan was asked to drive the car. Again... drive the car, not make all the decisions of a car owner... Same goes for every other driver who pilots a Kehrer Brothers Motorsports car.
The car owner made the final decision as to not have the motor claimed. The car owner stands behind his decision firmly because the team wanted to race on Sunday and the car owner wanted HIS motor not a claim motor. Knowing that UMP would not be able to tear down the motor and get the Kehrer Team to get it back together overnight, the claim was refused. When the 8 (black pearl) car had the motor claimed, the car owner did not want a claim motor from UMP,the team received their original motor back from the tech (in a box) and had it put back together. Once again, the 8 car's team did not make the decision, the car owner did. The decision stands that the car owner did not want someone else's motor in that car, he wanted HIS motor in that car.
As far as Sunday is concerned... The track officials approached the team on Sunday and asked to tech the motor. The team was more than happy to let the track officials tech the motor; however the officials did not do it (by their decision).
The rules state that the motor claim can be refused. There is no fine when you refuse the claim the first time... You lose the points and monies for that night. The 2nd time UMP wants to claim that motor if you decline, there will be fines and suspensions at that point determined by UMP. Please contact UMP if you have any questions regarding that information.
Kehrer Brothers Motorsports apologizes to Bryan Collins and team for bringing them into the middle of this situation, but Bryan (and to all other drivers of Kehrer Brothers Motorsports cars), you did ONLY what you were told to do... DRIVE (not make decisions of a car owner).
For those of you wanting a response, here you go... it isn't like it is going to matter, Someone will have a comment as to their take on the situation. But at least we have spoke our peace.
Thanks
Kehrer Brothers Motorsports
Bryan Collins is not the owner of the car. He was asked to drive the car and that was all he was asked to do. Bryan knew who the owner of the car was and knew it was not his decision to allow/refuse the motor claim. Throughout the entire season, the owner has wanted each and every car he owns to be driven by someone. Earlier in the season, Eric Gowen drove Brants car when Brant was out of town... (he finished 3rd when he drove it and noone mentioned anything about the car at that time). Had the motor been claimed that evening, Eric would not have made that decision either. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last that someone else may drive one of the Kehrer Brothers cars. Another instance, Chad Zobrist driving the 92K at Highland for a crate race. (he finished 4th (i think) that day and would have also let the claim be decided by the car owner). Unfortunately, Brant had an event Saturday night that he did not want to miss; therefore, Bryan was asked to drive the car. Again... drive the car, not make all the decisions of a car owner... Same goes for every other driver who pilots a Kehrer Brothers Motorsports car.
The car owner made the final decision as to not have the motor claimed. The car owner stands behind his decision firmly because the team wanted to race on Sunday and the car owner wanted HIS motor not a claim motor. Knowing that UMP would not be able to tear down the motor and get the Kehrer Team to get it back together overnight, the claim was refused. When the 8 (black pearl) car had the motor claimed, the car owner did not want a claim motor from UMP,the team received their original motor back from the tech (in a box) and had it put back together. Once again, the 8 car's team did not make the decision, the car owner did. The decision stands that the car owner did not want someone else's motor in that car, he wanted HIS motor in that car.
As far as Sunday is concerned... The track officials approached the team on Sunday and asked to tech the motor. The team was more than happy to let the track officials tech the motor; however the officials did not do it (by their decision).
The rules state that the motor claim can be refused. There is no fine when you refuse the claim the first time... You lose the points and monies for that night. The 2nd time UMP wants to claim that motor if you decline, there will be fines and suspensions at that point determined by UMP. Please contact UMP if you have any questions regarding that information.
Kehrer Brothers Motorsports apologizes to Bryan Collins and team for bringing them into the middle of this situation, but Bryan (and to all other drivers of Kehrer Brothers Motorsports cars), you did ONLY what you were told to do... DRIVE (not make decisions of a car owner).
For those of you wanting a response, here you go... it isn't like it is going to matter, Someone will have a comment as to their take on the situation. But at least we have spoke our peace.
Thanks
Kehrer Brothers Motorsports
midget racer
Open Wheeler
good statement from the owners of the car... as we all have read, another brilliant post from ptony. his knowledge about racing related matters amazes even the true experts. his comment about collins being a cheater, always has been, always will be.. (or close to that) is a real ballsy statement. i wonder if ptony can back that up, or is he just one of these computer "kitty kats" that must run his mouth, because he can't run anything else.....collins has a good name, very quietly goes about his business and does it very well.never have i seen/heard anything negative about him on here. j/m/o.
jmcgrew47
Active Member
That post was the most rediculous post in this thread. I've never met Bryan, but I have met his father. I can tell you that I believe that Mr. Collins (Billy) is an honest, upright man. Apples don't fall far from their tree. Billy has his hands in much of what Bryan Collins does with his racing program. If Bryan were cheating, I don't think Billy would want anything to do with it. The fact that Billy is involved makes me believe that Bryan is running a clean program.
PITDRIFTER
Motorsports
You can't draw any conclusions about Bryan in this deal. Like has been said, it wasn't his stuff. All that can be said or taken from this is weather the car owner had something to hide or not. Guess we'll never know.
DIRTCHAMP77
Member
There you go. Bryan Collins is about as clean and legal as they come. As I stated before he just drove the car and should not have made a decision. When you have a motor that you tune and keep maintained and you trust that the motor will perform you want to keep that motor in the car and not a loaner that may have been sitting at the bottom of the ocean for all you know. Cannot blame them for not wanting to give it up. It doesn't matter if that motor was claimed once before and this was the second time it would have been inspected. Are the loaner motors blue printed and balanced? I know some of the crate motors in a different series are polished to max tol. and can free up some rotating friction to help them out. Good post by the Kehrer Team and should put this thread to rest.
K-Dawg30
Member
People are sending them off to be blueprinted to max specs....they are not all 100% identical...hince the blueprinting....its legal to blueprint but it costs more to have blueprinted motor.
Who knows who has ran the UMP's motor and how hard it has been ran....whats wrong with teching the motor that night and then putting a mark on it and taking it after sunday's race for a claim...I don't think they would have had a problem with that JMO
If you dont allow them to police the motors then whats the point? When we ran a fastrack touring series event a few years ago they tore down the top 5 right there. Makes you wonder why none of these guys that have dominated around here over the past few years ever venture out to run any of these huge shows. If your the baddest legal crate around wouldnt you want to run any big dollar show you could??? Makes you wonder, huh?
20rocks
Well-Known Member
The payout was 2500 to win Friday,750 to win saturday,and 500 to win Sunday so they should have waited til Sunday to do any claiming???? They should claim any time they see fit.If you want to run high dollar 'blueprinted engines"then maybe have a couple of spares on hand.If your hired guns are so great they shouldn`t need them anyway.
