taking down rubber--and lots of it

here is a question for all of those jumping in on this subject.... this dude.. brandon: was the racing bad because the track took rubber? alot of times when the track slicks up, the big hp engines buzz the tires,so the drivers feather the throttle to compensate. the lesser hp engines dont slow down much,or even at all,so many times the racing field tightens up because the less hp engines can keep up now. was that the case? if i am correct here,then why are you complaining?
 
midgetracer, I don't know what the MCS track record is for LMs, but I know from the MCS website that Byan Collins set fast time one night at 12.80--my very unofficial :) stopwatch on Voigt had him running around 13.70 during the feature, when he was out of lapped traffic,which was most of the race. But the point is no one was going anywhere on top, at least not by feature time, Dixon tried it for several laps, but simply went backwards.

In fairness, I've seen worse races as far as dry slick goes. I've seen nights at other tracks where the LMs are simply zinging the tires and going much slower than they were Sunday. And it wasn't dusty Sunday. But, so what, the track wasn't raceable.

Granted, this condition exists at a lot of big races. But those races get a full field of cars,so the leaders have to deal with a lot more lapped traffic, forcing them into other lanes on the track. At least then you can get some passing possibilities. With just 13 cars starting the main and 11 cars finishing it, this was not the case Sunday.

There was some useable track in the HEATS, but come feature time...:(
 
Was It Black And Dry Slick Or Did It Locked Down And Take Rubber? Both Have Been Mentioned. If It Was Black Dry Slick, That Can Make For Some Less Than Exciting Racing, But Not Always. Locked Down And Taking Rubber?? In My Opinion, That Makes For Some Great Racing A Lot Of The Times.

If A Track Gets Watered Too Much It Can Be Packed. But, Once They Start Running On It And Throwing The Dirt Around It Gets Packed Backed Down Uneven And Thats Where The Ruts Come From.

Track Prep Isn't As Easy As Some May Think. I'm Sure Those Who Think They Can Do Better Wouldn't Have Any Trouble Getting A Track To Let You Volunteer Your Time To Help Them Out.

I Think With Mcs' Location And The Fact They Race On Saturday Night, They Ought To Consider A Changed To The Imca Type Late Models. I55, Highland And Tcs To An Extent Have The Ump Late Models Locked Up.

As Far As The Street Stock/sportsman, I Think Mel Needs To Allow Tube A Frames And 3 Link Rear Suspension. Most Of The Tracks In This Area Do.
 
Pitdrifter sugestion that MCS go IMCA is one that I've advocated before. Perhaps you could pick up some Quincy cars other than Denny "Attorney-at-Speed" Woodworth. You might also be able to get a "Deery Bros." show.

One problem could be that,except for Denny W., everyone would have to invest in all new 360inch 10.5:1 compresion engines to be legal. Another problem could simply be one of perception and misconception. That is to say, people might think that IMCA LMs are a "claimer motor" class. They're a spec motor class, not claimers.

One other problem is that the other MO. IMCA tracks--Bolivar, Joplin--are in southern Mo.
 
would you like to volunteer to police the 10.5:1 compression rule?? that would be a tall order for most people. you have mentioned this idea several times. you seem to like it. call mel and see if he agrees. somehow i doubt it. i know there are many easier ways to lower the hp.
 
midgetracer, I don't care what the compresion is--that's just IMCA's rule. And besides, you're missing the point--the idea isn't to lower hp just for the sake of reducing hp. The idea is to try to figure out a way to get more cars--whether that's with IMCA sanction, or with an independent deal, i.e. Granite City, with their own motor/tire rule, or within UMP, if that can still be made to work.

In short, the whole point is to try to keep costs down while still keeping the LMs, well, Late Models--not just some wide-tired sportsman class/limited LMs.

Some have suggested that MCS should just drop the LMs altogether.Oh yeah,and dropping the "a" class worked so well for Godfrey,Tri-City (who did it TWICE,with the LMs and 360s),and Macon, now didn't it? In fact, it worked so %!@# well they all brought the LMs back.
 
i agree with brandon paul never too much water i guess people would rather see slow and boring racing rather than fast action packed racing go figure all thet need is to work it a little but just like around my area is put a little water and watch the dust fly rain can be the best thing to ever happen to a dirt track if the promoter works the track :D
 
you know brandon your full of it you say your not talkin **** you are just concerened about ump and car count for fairness then lets go back to your 1st post what does car count and compitition have to do with **** talking about a black track and your crap about bad track prep from throwing t-shirts give me a break save your double talk for someone else. You must think everyone is to stupid to read or has a short memory
 
chad naylor has proven that fact . it rained like crazy a couple of weeks ago and he and his crew worked hard to have the races run and let me tell you it was one of the best races i have seen the cars were fast and it was not dusty at all. GOOD JOB CHAD AND CREW. godfrey is kicking A** AND TAKING NAMES THIS YEAR.
 
now lets see i think if o dirt goon i mean hound seems to know so much maybe he should go and work the track and maybe it will take care of the problem but for what i have heard i dont think so i agree slick black tracks s///////s :D
 
No more 24, I think part of the reason that people put up with a boring, one groove racing simply results from the fact that every year a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of folks in the stands initially became racing fans from watching NASCAR races on TV. Which are, of course, mostly follow the leader races. But if that's all you know from the begining...Then of course that's all they expect when they start going to their local short track. I'm not sure if very many of those folks are on this message board, but they ARE out there.

Dirt Hound makes a good suggestion about perhaps putting everyone on harder tires---that idea could, as the expression goes, kill two birds with one stone;that is, it could lessen the advantage the guys with the higher hp/higher $ motors have, and it could minimize the wear on the track.

Problem is, that isn't the UMP tire rule,so we're back to the suggestion to go another direction with the sanction, or no sanction at all. Anybody else not some ideas to throw into the mix? :)
 
NoMore_24 said:
now lets see i think if o dirt goon i mean hound seems to know so much maybe he should go and work the track and maybe it will take care of the problem but for what i have heard i dont think so i agree slick black tracks s///////s :D
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Hey, don't drag me into the 'know-it-all' brandon paul thread. Yeah, I've been to the track since day one, but I've never said anything about how I would prepare the track. Get a clue. As for the hound, he does know alot if you can decode his post. ;)
 
Dry slick racing is impossible to avoid. Thats where you find out who can drive and do setup. I raced at TC, Godfrey, MV, Mont, last year and they were all black as hell with the exception of TC(which even is now). Anybody could drive a car when its real tacky, you barely have to slow down. If you drive the same way in the feature it becomes the ice capades like most Godfrey and TC nights. Last year at MV for the summer nationals I was racing against Bobby Bittle and Stick Schoeck with a 2 barrell and 650 gear and going just as fast, with at least a 200 horse disadvantage. If it wasn't for the black it would be a drag race or motor contest if you will. The guys without big bucks/motor wouldn't have a chance.
 
Hey, wait a minute, is no more 24 talking about something besides Mike Harrison? He must have been in therapy this whole time. Congrats
 
Wait a minute....I seen something mentioned here that I can't ignore.

How can a locked down track that's taken rubber be more exciting than dry slick?? On a dry slick, yes, they are going slower, but the track tends to still have at least two grooves. However, a track that has taken rubber tends to develop a sweet spot, and everyone runs that groove. I HATE freight train features.
 
MCS was black top to bottom, cars were running all over the track so it was more than one groove. As for Dry Slick tracks, that is all your going to have because the insurance companies want it that way.

Tacky muddy tracks produce dirt clods that could fly into the stands and decapitate, maime and kill spectators. You know those insurance companies and their wonderful ideas.

John Barr
The Trashdog
 
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