To The Coward OF Highland Speedway

SideShowBob(USA said:
Seems to me UMP or whoever the hell it is,better make some base rules instead of taking on more classes, fix the ones you have. Leaving it up for the track is not working make a damn base line for them to follow,and this stuff wont happen( maybe) . Scott if this stuff was talked about at the drivers meeting and was said there was going to be no triple disk then keep it that way . Don't change it for the few Allied cars cause i will tell you this Allied will not change or let your cars that have something different run not even by adding weight Don will not budge for one night , so why should you . UMP step up to the plate and make some base RULES after all thats why you pay membership .

GOD I LOVE RACING TIME !!
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Bob you are wrong......... and you have no idea.
 
Ya Dean your always Right it was just not that long ago you was saying the same thing set up rules but i know you are always right about sportsman's back then i thought the rules you set up and was trying to push was a good thing but now that has all changed now that you have your series going
 
rvincent21 said:
im not one to add to drama but i have to get this out. this past saturday was my first trip to highland ever, and likely my last for awhile. the racing was one lane follow the leader almost all night (the only exception i saw was the hoffman bielong battle that one was good). ive heard alot about this track and most wasnt good, but saturday i saw somethin that blew my mind. Michael Kloos being allowed to hot lap his late model with two pure stocks. seriously why would u do that! everything about that screams BAD IDEA!!!

I dont run race tracks i dont work the dirt or anything like that i just work on the cars, so i understand i dont have alot of room to complain. But in the 22 years ive been alive a good 18+ has been spent at a dirt race track so i would like to think maybe my opinions are educated. Highland Speedway to me is in a bad way right now and is in need of some serious help before it meets the fate of so many great race tracks thru the nation the last 5 years. Nobody wants to see ANY track close. Help yourselves here.

Randy Vincent
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Look up in the stands, packed every weekend. follow the leader or not they keep coming back for more.
 
all I'm saying is if you don't have something to go by, this stuff will always come in play . and people will be mad because tom has this and john don't and we cant keep up with him or her so set a base up you had a damn good set made up back in the day and nobody would listen to u then so i guess it was all a bunch of bs back then i don't care what you think anyway i was just saying the *****ing will go on and on if there is no base set like it or not that is the truth .
 
O.K. Here is my two cents. It doesn't matter what the rules are. It doesn't matter if the rules are the same from track to track or different. It doesn't matter if they're Highland rules, Allied rules, UMP rules, Extreme series rules, Fall Nat'l.s rules or rules from any other track. None of this matters if the rules are not enforced! If the tracks and/or traveling series don't enforce the rules that they have in place now or in the future, it will always be what it is now; chaos. If the sanctioning bodies want the Sportsman class to thrive they have to keep cars coming back to them. They can only do this by treating people fairly by going by the rules that that track has in place and following them to the letter, without bias or favoritism. Having a set of rules agreed upon at the beginning of the year(as most of the tracks around here do) and then altering them at anytime for anyone for any reason without any kind of timely notice to the other competitors (the beginning of the race night is not a timely notice)is not only unfair, it extremely damages a sanctioning bodies very important reputation. If there is anything that is going to fix this, it is that ALL of the sanctioning bodies MUST enforce their rules wthout conditions and without exceptions!

Brian #44
 
SideShowBob(USA said:
Ya Dean your always Right it was just not that long ago you was saying the same thing set up rules but i know you are always right about sportsman's back then i thought the rules you set up and was trying to push was a good thing but now that has all changed now that you have your series going
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Thats because I'm a realist. I have spent countless hours going over the rules of all the tracks that run "UMP sportsman" and then even more tracks that run "super street" "street stock" and on and on. Could UMP just come up with a set of rules for every body? Yep but 50% wouldn't like them and you would have the same thing that is going on with the "UMP stock car" Could I come up with a set of rules? Yep but again alot of guys wouldn't like it. As far as what happened with the clutches I can see both sides... I can understand why it was done, maybe it should have been handled differently.
 
They should run fall nationals rules at all times that away everyone sort of evens out like ok you got a high rise intake 50 lbs or you got a bigger motor 50 lbs whatever their system is it will make you flexable to run where ever period and if someone weighs 3250 at 1 track because of the extra goodies no one will cry when they have to go to another track and weigh 3000 keep everything consistant and you'll keep cars dean your series really seems to be a hit and thank you for taking some if your hard earned money and time to have a mini series for some of the best weekend warriors and the ones you say are cheating won't be cheating if the rules are a carbon copy I think fall national rules is one of the best concepts allied has came up with it let's the hog motors and the little guys be closer if they make the rules uniform I bet the attitudes and car counts would be apparent as for Scott kuhn thank you for all you've done the track has been in the best shape in years since your take over and thank you for attempting to keep the sinking ship afloat with out you they wouldn't have a place to run on Saturdays good luck to everyone this weekend and have a safe holiday!!!
 
As it is with every story, I want to hear the other side. I know the promoter of Highland has been viewing this thread but I have not read his side of the story. Please Scott, tell us your side of the story or you just might lose a bunch of cars in the coming weeks.
 
personally from a fans point of view, it wouldnt hurt my feelings to get rid of a class at highland, so why dont you fellers go ahead and be the ones to go and quit bit#$ing and crying. what is done is done. do what you have to do. that track will still be full of fans every weekend if you are there or not..
 
Well my husband is out of his car for about 5 weeks due to surgery and all this **** is making my head spin. I was raised at Highland Speedway and all 3 of my kids are being raised along with this track... I like going to Highland and would hate it NOT to be there... so hopefully by the time Aaron gets back in the car this crap will be settled. Good luck to everyone racing this weekend. Good Luck to Bielong in the modified and the 441 Sportsman as well....

Brenda
 
I would like to see the UMP official show up at Highland unannounced to the drivers or track officials after the intermission when the LM feature is already on the track and check some tires. This could be interesting.
 
jdearing said:
You all want UMP to set the rules in stone for this class. So what if they make the "UMP" rules the same as the rules for the cars racing in central Illinois? Then, all the tracks in this area will simply not sanction and be back to running the same rules they are now. This class isn't as uniform and cut and dry around the Midwest as the Modifieds and Late Models are!
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It does not matter what rules UMP puts in place for any track, all the track has to do is say if you want us as UMP, we are going by our track rules. Brownstown Indiana is UMP sanctioned in the Super Late division but does not follow the tire rule. They also Sanction the "bombers" at Brownstown under the UMP Stock Car banner. And did I mention they allow Berts/Brinn's in the bomber division along with single line 4 bbls?
 
Darkstar44 said:
O.K. Here is my two cents. It doesn't matter what the rules are. It doesn't matter if the rules are the same from track to track or different. It doesn't matter if they're Highland rules, Allied rules, UMP rules, Extreme series rules, Fall Nat'l.s rules or rules from any other track. None of this matters if the rules are not enforced! If the tracks and/or traveling series don't enforce the rules that they have in place now or in the future, it will always be what it is now; chaos. If the sanctioning bodies want the Sportsman class to thrive they have to keep cars coming back to them. They can only do this by treating people fairly by going by the rules that that track has in place and following them to the letter, without bias or favoritism. Having a set of rules agreed upon at the beginning of the year(as most of the tracks around here do) and then altering them at anytime for anyone for any reason without any kind of timely notice to the other competitors (the beginning of the race night is not a timely notice)is not only unfair, it extremely damages a sanctioning bodies very important reputation. If there is anything that is going to fix this, it is that ALL of the sanctioning bodies MUST enforce their rules wthout conditions and without exceptions!

Brian #44
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Excellent post....thank you
 
I like the extreme series rules and.....its a set of rules everyone goes by. Point being made here....and 1 reason why its been successful. If Highland would just go with their rules(per rule book) not amend them during the season(which is total crap) and stick to their guns...everyone would be happy. Except the ones who would show up with cheatin devices and poor them. We are not wishing UMP would set up rules.........least not me. UMP to me is like the goverment......if they get involved in something you know its gonna cost. Look at the modifieds. My god.....some guys are putting motors in those cars that late model guys would drool for. Means nothing. Sportsman clas is and always was supposed to be a class that was fast fun and cost effective. And..........competitive. Which it is..........if everyone has a set of rules to go by and noone does things aginst them. I remember a night.years a go some guy showed up at Tri City in a bomber...............with a late model engine in it. They quickly told that individual bye bye and im glad they did. To be honest(this will get some uproars) i think the class was even better when we ran on 8 inch ties(dirt stockers) and stock 4 links. Only so much you gonna do with that set up. We had 30 plus cars showing up......ran consis weekly and the class was close. And i mean..........close. But if the track would just throw up rules(which they have) and stick to them(which they have not) noone would have a gripe(except the ones who would show up with said devices not legal) and things would be better. Class would flourish. Its an awesome class and really.........does need a set of unified rules. Not UMP.......general unified rules. Years ago......you could go run Godfrey....then Granite.......then St. Charles all in 1 week. All had same rules and things were simpler.
 
MOJO said:
I would like to see the UMP official show up at Highland unannounced to the drivers or track officials after the intermission when the LM feature is already on the track and check some tires. This could be interesting.
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And some other tracks as well. Ive seen some tires that well.....lets just say..........are questionable as to their legality to be run per UMP rules.
 
just for fun i checked the results from the last six weeks, i have been cheated out of about 35 UMP national points and $325 by illegal cars finishing ahead of me, and that is just the cars i know of.

as far as brining in UMP on this post, a nation wide UMP sportsman rule book is pretty much never going to happen
 
D.T. fan#1 said:
Look up in the stands, packed every weekend. follow the leader or not they keep coming back for more.
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im not arguing that point. i have been around pevely my entire life and went to highland saturday. maybe the stands were packed because it was dollar beer and hot dog night. cant hurt your crowd lol. all im sayin is this track is in trouble and i dont wanna see it go under because some ppl are too hard headed or maybe have too deep pockets. jmo
 
D.T. fan#1 said:
Look up in the stands, packed every weekend. follow the leader or not they keep coming back for more.
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Granted we dont get to Highland much but the stands were not packed when we were there.

Also, UMP needs to assign someone who knows the sportsman class to help set the rules. Dean Nichols or Don Hoener would be good candidates. Unless UMP goes this route they will never have set rules. Just my humble opinion.

AK
 
I would be happy if allied, highland any other local tracks would just have a sit down and unify their rules. That way everyone knows the rules at any track they decide to run around here.

And I've also seen a couple cars pull a 4bbl off 2 sportsman cars after the heats were over.
 
kreke13 said:
Also, UMP needs to assign someone who knows the sportsman class to help set the rules. Dean Nichols or Don Hoener would be good candidates. Unless UMP goes this route they will never have set rules. Just my humble opinion.

AK
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Nah never leave the rules in the hands of 1 person... each track should have a rules committee of 2 sportsman guys per track to get with there fellow racers and decide on whats best and cheapest and then the rule committee from each track get together and set it in stone.... then everyone should be happy that they had a part in what is what... thats my oppinion
 
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