Tri City Question

[qwaynick]

I took that as it was a extra thing that Memmer did for the tracks that wasn't included in the contract. Not that it was a rule or a contract fact.

 

[broderick782003]

My question is why does everyone think its going to hurt Belleville so badly. I think TCS should get UMP, but I dont want to see Belleville go under, nor do I think they will. Belleville like every other track has there dedicated fans and racers. I think TCS did so well in car count on Sunday cause drivers didnt have to give up there "home track" to race there. With them going to Fridays, they may loose a few cars, but I still feel they will do well. If they gain cars from Belleville it will be because Kevin and family updated their track and you cant blame them for that!

Good Luck to all Drivers and Pit Crews wherever you choose to race!

 

[sam69]

THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS ARGUMENT THAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF IS PEOPLE AND THEIR COMPLETE DISREGUARD FOR BELLE CLAIR SPEEDWAY! PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO VOICE THEIR DISPLEASURE AND SUPPORT, WHEN A TRACK GETS UNDER PRESSURE FROM PEOPLE LOOKING TO GET IT SHUT DOWN. BUT, WHEN THEY HAVE A PERSONAL AGENDA THEY TALK OUT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR MOUTH.

BELLE CLAIR'S BEST INTEREST NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO, NOT JUST TCS AND UMP. THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR FOR UMP TO BE AT TCS IN 07' NEED TO PUT THE SHOE ON THE OTHER FOOT. WHAT IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED? MOVING TO FRIDAY'S WASN'T A HAVE TO SITUATION FOR KEVIN. HE HAD A GOOD THING GOING ON SUNDAY. SECOND ONLY MAYBE TO I55. THATS A MAYBE, THEY WERE PRETTY CLOSE IN MY OPINION. KEVIN JUST THINK IT WILL BE A LITTLE BETTER ON FRIDAYS. WHICH I'M NOT SO SURE OF.

IF THERE ISN'T A 50 MILE RULE DOES THAT MEAN THERE ISN'T ONE NOW? OR WAS THERE NEVER ONE? IF THERE NEVER WAS ONE, WHO PULLED IT OUT OF THERE ARSE? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE REASONING FOR BOB WENTE NOT GETTING UMP WAS THAT HE WAS TO CLOSE TO HIGHLAND???? IF ANYONE HAD A REASON TO GO TO COURT IT WOULD BE WENTE.

YOU CAN TAKE ONE THING TO THE BANK. TCS WOULDN'T GET THE SANCTION IF IT WAS I55 IT WAS GOING AGAINST INSTEAD OF BELLEVILLE!!!!!!!

JUST MY OPINION! CARELESS IF YOU LIKE IT!!!!!!!!

OK i put the shoe on the other foot i went to belleville to race last year.here what i think ,if your not in their click they treat you like crap.cam rule to keep the street stocks from going unless your in the click and have a spare motor for the rules.make you pit in the infield with no tools or parts.they were never on the same page as the rest of the tracks so we could go race.same thing for the sportsman cars always different rules.so i took the shoe off the other foot and put it back on the right one i can careless about UMP they never do a thing but take your money.id hate to see i come to my class.but i no the upper class will come because of it and its good for tcs.so maybe belleville should get the rules on the same page as everybody else to draw more cars in the lower class if not please don't cry and say how unfair it is

 

[got dirt]

SAM they are pure stocks the want them as low dollar as possible as far as pitting in the infield your a smart guy where in the heck would put everybody outside they can't expand anywhere so they do the best they can

 

[dirtcrazy23]

I am and will be as unbiased with my argument as possible because I love racing no matter where I go; my question is: if there is not any contractual problems with Tri-City going UMP on Friday night, why has it taken over 6 months for an announcement?

Just my two cents worth!!

 

[racefantoo]

Whether or not there is a 50 mile rule written into the contract, so much of the law is based on prior precedence and the precedent has been established, that is the understanding every track owner/promotor/and race fan has generally come to accept.

In my opinion Bellevelle would have a strong case aganist both UMP and Tri-City Speedway and would very likely be able to get an injuction to prohibit Tri-City from operations until the case could be heard, and that could wipe out Tri-City's entire season.

Futhermore if Belleclair did prevail the damages would be in the millions and neither UMP or G&G Motorsports could cover that.

 

[armoflu]

You bring up a good point about precedence. However, if there has never been a case or judgement then there is no precedence. Just because somebody has never tried something doesn't mean it is not allowed.

I also agree on the previous remark that if there was no possible rule "infringement" then they (UMP) would have already made a decision.

 

[sam69]

SAM they are pure stocks the want them as low dollar as possible as far as pitting in the infield your a smart guy where in the heck would put everybody outside they can't expand anywhere so they do the best they can

Your right I'm a smart guy,Im sure they wont have a parking problem this year at Belleville ,they all be at tri city as far as low dollar, the only thing low dollar is the prise you pay to get in to watch the race.

 

[got dirt]

B Ville Is Ready Is Tri City Nope B Ville Has Problem With Ump Can't Say The Same About Tcs,what's Wrong B Ville A Lil To Cozy For You SAMWOULDN'T HAD THIS PROBLEM IF HE WOULD 'VE SAYED ON SUNDAY NIGHT

 

[sam69]

B Ville Is Ready Is Tri City Nope B Ville Has Problem With Ump Can't Say The Same About Tcs,what's Wrong B Ville A Lil To Cozy For You SAMWOULDN'T HAD THIS PROBLEM IF HE WOULD 'VE SAYED ON SUNDAY NIGHT

I wont get into a pissing contest with you .Your pissing into the wind and its going all over your legs

 

[PITDRIFTER]

OK i put the shoe on the other foot i went to belleville to race last year.here what i think ,if your not in their click they treat you like crap.cam rule to keep the street stocks from going unless your in the click and have a spare motor for the rules.make you pit in the infield with no tools or parts.they were never on the same page as the rest of the tracks so we could go race.same thing for the sportsman cars always different rules.so i took the shoe off the other foot and put it back on the right one i can careless about UMP they never do a thing but take your money.id hate to see i come to my class.but i no the upper class will come because of it and its good for tcs.so maybe belleville should get the rules on the same page as everybody else to draw more cars in the lower class if not please don't cry and say how unfair it is

1ST- OFF I'M NOT CRYIN' ABOUT ANYTHING. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE FACT OF HOW PEOPLE JUST ACT LIKE THIS UMP TCS THING IS NO BIG DEAL BECAUSE ITS JUST BELLEVILLE.

2ND- YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT STUPID CAM RULES? THE HYDRAULIC CAM RULE IS THE STUPID ONE.

3RD- I WOULD THINK YOU IF ANYONE COULD RELATE TO WHAT ALLIED TRIES TO DO WITH THEIR SPORTSMAN AND PURESTOCKS. I MEAN COME ON, YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE CRYIN' THE LOUDEST ON HERE OVER A SIMPLE PEDAL RULE CHANGE AT TCS.

4TH- I WAS THERE THAT NIGHT YOU RACED BELLEVILLE. NO YOU DIDN'T SET THE WORLD ON FIRE. BUT MID PACK NOT BAD FOR COMING OVER ONE TIME. WAS IT YOUR 1ST TIME EVER THERE? I'VE HEARD SOME OF THE BEST SAY "BELLEVILLE WILL MAKE A DRIVER OUT OF YA'".

5TH- UMP IS A GOOD THING IF IT WOULD BE RUN LIKE IT WAS BY BOB MEMMER!!!!!!!!! UMP ALWAYS STOOD FOR "UNITED"! NOT ANYMORE IT SEEMS. THE WAY THEY ARE DOING THE "RUN BY TRACK RULES" IS REDICULOUS. OK, THE 1ST YEAR I CAN GO WITH IT. BUT STICK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF PHASING RULES IN SO THEY WOULD SOMEDAY BE "UNITED"! ALL YOU SHOULD NEED TO KNOW ABOUT A TRACKS RULES IS, ARE THEY UMP OR NOT!

 

[PITDRIFTER]

There is no such thing as the "50 Mile" rule. Never has been, probably never will be! This was something that the late, great Bob Memmer did for his tracks back in the day (Never in a written contract though). It was never written in a contract, just ask any track promoter if it is in their contract, because I can tell you it is not! So for those who keep screaming about it you might as well give it up, because there is NO SUCH THING AS A "50 MILE RULE"!!

I SEE, BOB MEMMER OPERATED HIS BUSINESS WITH RESPECT, LOYALTY, AND INTEGRITY? KINDA OLD SCHOOL ANOTHER WORDS? BACK WHEN YOU COULD TAKE A MAN'S WORD FOR MORE THAN FACE VALUE. OF COURSE BOB MEMMER MADE MONEY AND LOTS OF IT. BUT IT NEVER OUT WEIGHED HIS LOVE FOR RACING AND DOING WHATS WAS BEST FOR THOSE INVOLVED WITH HIS ORGANIZATION!!!!!! WE WILL SEE WHAT THE CURRENT UMP BRASS STAND FOR HERE SHORTLY.

WILL BELLEVILLE BE HURT IF TCS GETS UMP? ONLY TIME WILL TELL. BUT I KNOW ONE THING, IT DAMN SURE WON'T HELP THEM!

I WILL PREDICT THAT TCS WILL BE UMP. I HAD/HAVE A SNEAKY SUSPICION THEY WILL WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. THAT WAY THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE BEAAATCHIN' ALL WINTER.

 

[Bomber Momma]

I just found this thread....

sam69 says:

unless your in the click and have a spare motor for the rules.make you pit in the infield with no tools or parts.they were never on the same page as the rest of the tracks so we could go race

What are you talking about here?

1. spare motor -- if you don't have a spare motor, then you won't be racing anymore if and when you blow up your main motor. How is that the track's fault? Have motor, will race. No motor, no racing.

2. pit in the infield with no tools or parts -- cars that pit in the infield usually unload their tools and parts that they think they will need and park their truck in the lot. Many cars prefer to pit in the infield. Most of these cars do not have the huge trailers that the larger cars have. If you need a ride out to your truck and trailer, ask someone who has a 4-wheeler to help you out. I'm sure most would oblige you. If you don't have any tools, how are you racing? No parts? How are you racing?

3. never on the same page as the rest of the tracks? -- Allied runs 2 tracks, Belleville and Pevely. All of the other tracks are run by one organization/person/group. Seems to me the other tracks set their rules to attract racers away from Allied and/or compete with them, so if you want to race at your other track and Allied's, you have to conform to both. It's totally your decision, now isn't it? Race where you want to race and don't whine about it.

 

[jumpinjack1dw]

My question is... If there is no 50 mile rule. what is this??????

WE HAD AN OFFICAL FROM U.M.P., SAM

DRIGGERS, UMP REGIONAL DIRECTOR,

MEASURE THE DISTANCE GATE TO GATE,

FROM MTV. TO CCS AND HE CAME UP WITH

51.7 MILES. FOR SOME REASON, RICK HECK,

PROMOTER OF MT.VERNON RACEWAY, GOT

INVOLVED AND TOOK SAM ON A "SHORTCUT"

DRIVE AND CAME UP WITH A MEASUREMENT

OF 48.0 MILES. AND THAT IS WHAT UMP IS

GAUGING THE MILES AS. SO, AS OF NOW WE

ARE NOT UMP SANCTIONED.

WHY WAS THE MTV. PROMOTER ALLOWED TO

INTERVENE WITH AN "OFFICIAL UMP

MEASUREMENT? SHOULD'NT I ALSO AS A

TRACK PROMOTER HAVE A CHANCE TO

CHECK THE MILAGE WITH SAM ALSO?

 

[sean2]

My question is... If there is no 50 mile rule. what is this??????

WE HAD AN OFFICAL FROM U.M.P., SAM

DRIGGERS, UMP REGIONAL DIRECTOR,

MEASURE THE DISTANCE GATE TO GATE,

FROM MTV. TO CCS AND HE CAME UP WITH

51.7 MILES. FOR SOME REASON, RICK HECK,

PROMOTER OF MT.VERNON RACEWAY, GOT

INVOLVED AND TOOK SAM ON A "SHORTCUT"

DRIVE AND CAME UP WITH A MEASUREMENT

OF 48.0 MILES. AND THAT IS WHAT UMP IS

GAUGING THE MILES AS. SO, AS OF NOW WE

ARE NOT UMP SANCTIONED.

WHY WAS THE MTV. PROMOTER ALLOWED TO

INTERVENE WITH AN "OFFICIAL UMP

MEASUREMENT? SHOULD'NT I ALSO AS A

TRACK PROMOTER HAVE A CHANCE TO

CHECK THE MILAGE WITH SAM ALSO?

I am not exactly sure what that is, but I know what it isn't. It isn't a UMP contract.

For your info both Mt.Vernon & Flora are running the same night & both are UMP sanctioned

 

[Big Bad Bear]

Here is how a court of law hearing would go ...

Judge: Why are you suing UMP and TC?
Belleville: Because they allowed a track to operate under UMP sanctioning within 50 miles of Belleville on Friday night.
Judge: Has this ever happened before?
Belleville: Well, yes, Godfrey race track has operated up until 2006 and they were within 50 miles of Belleville and raced on Friday.
Judge: Case dismissed.

"Breach of Contract" ... only if the UMP contract specifes and guarantees they would not sanction two tracks on the same night within 50 miles. So far everyone has stated this is NOT in the contract.

"Prior Precedence" ... there are three incidents in Illinois alone where tracks are/were within the 50 mile radius of another ... if I was taking this to court, I'd check every state UMP operates in and see if there were more
(1) Godfrey/Belleville - Friday nights
(2) Macomb/Canton - Saturday nights
(3) Flora/Mt Vernon - Saturday nights

Many of you keep saying that UMP (i.e. Bob Memmer) never violated the 50 mile rule in the past so why are they now? DUHHHHH ... Godfrey was UMP and Belleville and everyone seems to want to forget/overlook that fact.

You want to hang TC from the trees for changing nights and asking for sanctioning ... DUHHH .. that is exactly what Flora did and they got the sanctioning. (Flora was a Friday night track - changed to Saturday) Mt Vernon tried (unsuccessfully) to stop it. I don't blame Belleville for raising hell ... if they get by with it, more power to them.

How did Belleville survive all these years with Godfrey running on the same night? They same way they will continue to survive with TC running on the same night ... with their still loyal and dedicated 80 or so drivers and numerous fans ... Anyway ... if they did get many more cars, it has already been stated, Belleville would not have a place park them.

Fun Fact: Name the drivers who raced BOTH Belleville and TC on any regular basis when they were on different nights? (ie I know a few cars tried Belleville once or twice after Godfrey closed, but never went back)

If you really think about it, you'd be amazed how really few there were. Plus with TC dropping Sportsman they only have Belleville on Friday so this should help Belleville's car count in that class. TC has 5 classes, Belleville has 4 classes ... only two of these classes are the same .. LM and Modifieds.

It has been proven that since the close of Godfrey speedway, Belleville DID NOT increase their car count. Where did all the Godfrey racers go? They, like me, choose to stay home on Friday rather than race Belleville. With the time I had to leave for work, Sunday was not a good option and I could only make it a few nights.

I look forward to TC on Friday nights ... I will choose to race TC (unsanctioned) rather than Belleville (sanctioned) and I think you will find many drivers doing the same. TC has the right to ask UMP for sanctioning ... the decision on whether to grant that request should be left up to UMP not a court of law.

JMO

 

[dirtgirl]

BACK WHEN YOU COULD TAKE A MAN'S WORD FOR MORE THAN FACE VALUE.

That and the hand shake days are long gone. It's become an all about money and no one really cares who they screw type of world today as long as they make their monies. ( this comment is in general ) ( but if the shoe fits ) J/K

 

[modfan]

Judge: Why are you suing UMP and TC?
Belleville: Because they allowed a track to operate under UMP sanctioning within 50 miles of Belleville on Friday night.
Judge: Has this ever happened before?
Belleville: Well, yes, Godfrey race track has operated up until 2006 and they were within 50 miles of Belleville and raced on Friday.
Judge: Case dismissed.

If I were Belleville this is how I would respond.
Judge: Why are you suing UMP and TCS
Belleville: I believe there is collision between TCS and UMP to skirt pre-existing standard UMP operating methods.
Judge:Explain how this could be happening
Belleville:There has been a pre-existing standard requiring a 50-mile space between race tracks.
Judge: Has this rule been upheld previously
Belleville: Yes
Judge:Has this rule been challenged previously
Belleville:Not to my knowledge.
Judge:How much are you asking for in damages?

A couple of side notes
1. It's common knowledge that the rule was upheld for MVN
2. Does anyone know if there have been any complaints filed because the rule was not enforced?

JMO

 

[Big Bad Bear]

Judge: Why are you suing UMP and TCS
Belleville: I believe there is collision between TCS and UMP to skirt pre-existing standard UMP operating methods.
Judge:Explain how this could be happening
Belleville:There has been a pre-existing standard requiring a 50-mile space between race tracks.
Judge: Has this rule been upheld previously
Belleville: Yes
Judge:Has this rule been challenged previously
Belleville:Not to my knowledge.
Judge:How much are you asking for in damages?

A couple of side notes
1. It's common knowledge that the rule was upheld for MVN
2. Does anyone know if there have been any complaints filed because the rule was not enforced?

JMO

What "pre-existing" standard? ie Godfrey/Belleville ALWAYS operated within a 50 mile radius on the SAME night!!!

"Has this rule been upheld previously" NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! REPEAT above answer.

It is "common knowledge" that MVN and Flora will operate under UMP sanctioning on Saturday night in 2007. In 2006, AFTER Flora switched nights and ran under UMP sanctioning MVN closed early rather than run against Flora on the same night. Had they NOT closed, they would BOTH have run in 2006 under UMP sanctioning on Saturday after Flora SWITCHED nights.

What am I missing?????

 

[modfan]

1. Did Godfrey or Belleville ever try to invoke the 50 mile rule? If not it's irrelevant
2. Look at the above statement from jumpjack1dw
3. Has MVN and Flora both opened yet? If not there irrelevant.
4. Did they both run at the same time in 06? If not there irrelevant.
5. As to what your missing. I wouldn't even want to speculate