ump dirtcar round up@ I55

extremeracecars said:
which definition do you want? The local one? The central il one? The indiana one? The west coast one? The southern one? The oklahoma one? And on and on and on... Or do you want my definition?
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bingo and tribout either you can't get the rules together there is toomany varations of what sportsman sure ti be nice to see the other area of the nation run in this event but thenyour probably talking more than eight classes now wouldn't you
 
ExtremeRaceCars said:
My definition: A mid level full bodied race car some where between Street Stock and Late Model. :D
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Why keep the stock frame to the top of the rear end then allow 3 link? Jbar, pull bar.

Your reasoning on the 2bbl in earlier post does not make any sense either. If you think your guys arent putting $12k in their motors your are deeply mistaken. That is all we have out here in Indiana. Pan to carb. You act like you are making these rules so the back markers can be competitive. I am sorry but they will never be. Not to knock those guys, it is just a fact. All classes have back markers and they are very important to every division. And in every division, they accept that. If they want to win, they work on impoving their driving skills and work on their suspension package. It is that simple. Making rules apon rules that dont conform to anything even close to the rest of the country will do nothing but keep what you have a regional thing. I am sure you would love to have an Extreme race one day that pulled in 200+ cars. The question is are you happy with 75 one time a year and only 35 the rest of the time? Dont get me wrong, that is great but why not get EVERYONE? The Nationals race at I55 could do that with the money they put up.
 
You would definately have to add a class to get all these other cars in.

Nobody is forcing anyone to run a brinn, if you choose to run a brinn you choose to add a 100 lbs. I wouldn't want to show up and race against big motor cars with brinns, and clip cars that have to weigh the same. Not because I'm "insecure" but because I know even if I had my car perfect and drove a perfect race i would still not have a shot because my car would be out performed by the things mentioned before.

If those guys want to come down here so bad, why don't they make the necessary changes to run the fall nationals (alot more money up for grabs and a 1 day show) or why don't they have any races that allow an "allied legal" car to run with fair weight breaks at their tracks?

The last Roundup had a low car count in all classes, not just the sportsman. It wasn't because of the rules, it was because UMP had fee's on everything. I bet this year there will be alot more cars.

Just my opinion
 
Weight rules are one thing, but being rediculous about it is another. With lead being $1.20+ per pound and having to have 800+ pounds of lead to any car is just out of hand. For your information, The clip cars in Indiana are either stock leaf spring with no traction devices, or coil springs on top of the rear end housing with stock length trailing arms and stock trailing arm mounts with no traction devices. 2900#,108 wb, mod tires. Now how is that any more of an advantage than what you have? Yes we run a roller cam, 4bbl, and Bert/Brinn. But like I said. a 550-600HP motor is a 550-600HP motor no matter what cam you put in it and what carb you put on it. And yes you are running against these 550-600HP motors in the STL region on a weekly basis.
 
Ok Dave I'm going to put you under the gun... Say you are UMP and you have to come up with common rules for the sportsman, you have no choice you have to do it. What do you do? You have to do it where you don't lose more than 10% of the tracks currently running sportsman. Where do you start?
 
Dean, see the first line of my last post for your answer.

I know one thing I wouldn't do first and that would be to start with shocks.

I am still confused as to why sportsmans need to travel the country. Yes. I try to race where I can but if I really wanted to travel I would get a mod, super lm or crate where they pretty much have unified rules. I wouldn't get in a class that is so different among regions and try to change all the rules.
 
dave i could not agree more...

these guys are rediculous... more more more... if u want to run all this fancy stuff get a freaking modified... the sportsman class is great the way it is... if u dont like it, move up a class... if i remember jimmy u drove a modified, and did pretty good in it... if these are the rules u want, drive a modified... they are not going to change the rules, and i hope they dont... last year was my first year in the sportsman, and i traveled to clarksville and plan to travel more this year... just my opinion... keep the rules the same, u dont like them drive a modified...
 
Just my opinion

I dont wanna start no battles but most guys in the sportsman class plain do not have the cash flow to go off and run everywhere much less 2 times a week. Would i like to race against the best of the best, YES. But trying to find a fine line to make these cars on an even playing field would be tough. Like everyone has been saying the rules vary so much from region to region it would just plain be tough to find that fine line. To b honest running against a stub car with 4in of motor setback and like the one guy stated,4in of motor setback, 550 600 horse, weighing 2900lbs and coilovers, that would be very tough for me to believe that i could stay on the lead lap with MAYBE 400hp, number1 spark plug even with the ball joint, and needing to weigh 3300lbs(and get any rear drive) to be legal. Im not saying anything bad about no one, but i think the Extreme Rules are great because they even the playing field up so much between Allied and Highland. I wish that Allied would open up The fall national rules for us cause i would love to load up and go run Belle Vegas and Pevely sometimes.. So Dean did u say that u were gonna run another Series for sportsman? Sure hope u do looking forward to it. Plan to run for the chase if u do. JON RIPPERDA
 
I am not saying allow these rules every week, I am saying this is supposed to be a round up, not an allied race. As far as weekly rules, I have 2 real good allied engines and dont want them to be obsolete, but if you want spec engines you need to tech. There are some deep sounding engines at pevely that seem to be ok cause they wont check anymore. I'd type more but I am on my cell phone. Did I mention I have 100 dollars less in my 4 barrel that I used to run at b-town and on my mod than my 2 barrel?
 
Thank you Jimmy, Look All I am saying is find some common rule, if a cars set up will make them without a dought faster than another region then add some waight or take some out to even the playing field. Or what ever it takes to get the job and cars in. There has to be a way to work it out. (I think, again I have no dog in this fight) BUT if I was promoting a SO CALLED "Round Up" and wanted it to become a national race or even a big show then I would find away to pull as many cars in as I can. Who cares if some locals choose not to come? You just might get 2 out of town guys to replace them. Again I know nothing about the rules but it seems if you want to pull in as many cars as you can some things need to be changed before this event becomes a flop.
Oh I haft to add I know the track is not making the rules and I'm not bashing them but who ever is making the rules needs to try to get more cars in the door.
 
yes Jon were going to do it one more year. How this year goes will determine if we keep going, if only 7 cars are willing to run all the races I don't see it happenning in 2011.
 
Dave34 said:
Dean, see the first line of my last post for your answer.

I know one thing I wouldn't do first and that would be to start with shocks.

I am still confused as to why sportsmans need to travel the country. Yes. I try to race where I can but if I really wanted to travel I would get a mod, super lm or crate where they pretty much have unified rules. I wouldn't get in a class that is so different among regions and try to change all the rules.
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Very good points with the shocks and also the traveling.

Remember this a support class. With 95% of the race dates paying as a support class. (and in most cases not very well. LoL.)

As for poor car counts at the last round up. It was low mostly because of all the extra fee's making it way to costly, combined with everybody ready for the season to wind down.

I beleive the onlything standing in the way of this one, is the iffy weather this time of year.
 
I'll be the 1st to admit something needs to be done to make these cars be able to come compete from all areas. How do we do that? Well, without someone pitchin' a hissy fit, I don't think it can be done. Seems everyone thinks their rules are the best and want the rules to fit what they have.

1st off, the Indiana cars would have to put on a 2bbl. Unfortunately this race is being held in a area that all the sportsman cars are on 2bbl's. It is not conceivable to expect all the cars from this area to get 4bbl's, to comply with the 4 or 5 guys that MAY come down from the Indiana eastern Illinois area. The bert/brinn subject? Let them have them. Cars in this area can run triple disc now so that advantage isn't as big as it would've been. Also they will have to add weight. how much????? There needs to be a happy medium somewhere.

Jimmy Cummins, I don't think you should call the local STL area drivers insecure for not traveling. This is a support class, and guys run support classes for a reason. Usually that's because of budget. You are a young single man who can pick and choose how ever you want to spend your money, without having to worry about supporting a family like many others have too. I admire the fact you will race anywhere anytime. But, I do question the sense in taking a butter knife to a gun fight as you sometimes do for the sake of just getting to race. But if you see fit to spend the money to do it, more power to you. But, like I said, don't fault others for not. I'l admit there are some with a budget big enough to do it.... jmo

With that said, I do think the STL area sportsman guys should at least venture around in their home area from time to time. I55 is the only STL area track that gets a car count in this class worth writing home about. Some of the guys that race there never go to any other track in the area. If I55 floods out for a month their car won't leave the shop. That's a little ridiculous in my opinion. If the 30-35 cars I55 gets weekly would venture to another area track just 5-6 times a year, the other track car counts would pick up and solidify the class at all of them. 4-5 more cars per week would help matters very much. 30-35 cars 5 times a year would = 150+ nights of racing that could be spread out. jmo

And this Extreme Series??? I think it foolish not to support it. this is an awesome deal for the sportsman racers. It won't last if it isn't supported.
 
How true Pitdrifter. Why dose everyone say they are JUST a support class? We race karts and no they are not as flashy as a latemodel or Mod. but I think we race just as hard as the big guys. We don't look down on our level of racing and say we are just karts. We are proud to race karts. What I'm getting at is the sportsman class in my opion is just as high class as anyother class and most of the time has better racing and it would like you say be realy cool to see them all have the same rules so they can travel (if they so desire and can afford it) and visit other tracks. It just might help all tracks. See when you can only run one or two tracks because of the rules you get what you ask for. "Favortisum" See our rules in every class are nation wide, so if I want to load up and race Ohio, Fla.,New York or any other state at any given weekend or just stay home I have no worries other then the cash to travel.
Think about it, if all the classes has the same rules for there class just think what the car count might be at the round up.
 
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