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Also look how hard the drivers up front are pushing their cars. The class is all about momentum. Once you fall off the pace, you're done.
 
YoungGun98 said:
Ever think on the other side of the spectrum that the problem is it's easier to point fingers than to actually take the car off the trailer and look it over every week? Maintence, setup, and the driver is what wins these races.
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First off setup? Really? Look at my post....they are not supposed to be racecars. Sure they scoot around pretty good but at what cost. If your doing a setup checking the car over every week then there sre things done not stock. Just sayin. The class is dying and wonder why. Far be it for me to point the obvious out
 
YoungGun98 said:
Also look how hard the drivers up front are pushing their cars. The class is all about momentum. Once you fall off the pace, you're done.
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Pushing their cars with non rev limit computers and locked diffs. You keep strumming that guitar because the song its playing doesnt sound so good. Really as ive said as is any beginning class its way over complicated than it should be. 10 cars showing up because the ones who were stock got tired of getting waxed and lapped by cars wayyyyyyy more superior. Funny how wide that spectrum is from the ones who build cars the way the class should be and the cars built to run for points
 
racin90 said:
Pushing their cars with non rev limit computers and locked diffs. You keep strumming that guitar because the song its playing doesnt sound so good. Really as ive said as is any beginning class its way over complicated than it should be. 10 cars showing up because the ones who were stock got tired of getting waxed and lapped by cars wayyyyyyy more superior. Funny how wide that spectrum is from the ones who build cars the way the class should be and the cars built to run for points
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And here is a point...i used to drive a sportsman. I drove my friends car one night. Wasnt the driver as to why it was slow...it was he was way overclassed. Stock cavalier with stock tires stock trans and a pretty decent cage. It now sits as a lawn ornament
 
A maximum of 5 degrees camber is allowed on any wheel per UMP rules. A car without camber cannot go through a corner near as smooth, consistent, and fast as a car that is setup correctly.
 
Per tri city rules there is no such variance. It says clearly stock suspension springs shocks and no modifocations ..Guys building stock cars oer rules get waxed right off the bat. I donot thnk 5 degrees of camber affects the actual speed of a car on starts pr straightaways.
 
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You don't need a tech guy who really knows all the makes and models. There are only a couple that consistently win. As fas as who it is, it's hard to get someone that everyone will agree knows their stuff so as not to be questioned yet isn't connected to anyone already racing by work, blood or friendship.

I find it hard to believe that Pro 4 would be the hardest class to tech. In every other class, Bomber, Sportsman, A mod, B mod and LM everyone is racing cars they built or put together from aftermarket parts. No 2 cars are exactly the same. In Pro 4's every single car out there was built to spec at some factory.

Holy cow, if you can't tech a car and spot the engine/drivetrain/suspension difference between it and the 100,000 other ones that came from a factory assembly line just like it, I don't know what class you could.
 
t.nie said:
You don't need a tech guy who really knows all the makes and models. There are only a couple that consistently win. As fas as who it is, it's hard to get someone that everyone will agree knows their stuff so as not to be questioned yet isn't connected to anyone already racing by work, blood or friendship.

I find it hard to believe that Pro 4 would be the hardest class to tech. In every other class, Bomber, Sportsman, A mod, B mod and LM everyone is racing cars they built or put together from aftermarket parts. No 2 cars are exactly the same. In Pro 4's every single car out there was built to spec at some factory.

Holy cow, if you can't tech a car and spot the engine/drivetrain/suspension difference between it and the 100,000 other ones that came from a factory assembly line just like it, I don't know what class you could.
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The current tech is checking tire pressures only. Easy peasy
 
This class was brought about in the stl area by Bob Wente. They weren't race cars just cars you race he said. Had to be painted yellow or red.

If I ran a track I'd give you 3 yrs. One to get your feet wet. 2nd to step it up. 3rd you better do your winning because its your last go around. Move up or pick another hobby.
 
Swappin Paint said:
This class was brought about in the stl area by Bob Wente. They weren't race cars just cars you race he said. Had to be painted yellow or red.

If I ran a track I'd give you 3 yrs. One to get your feet wet. 2nd to step it up. 3rd you better do your winning because its your last go around. Move up or pick another hobby.
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I can't like this guys comment enough! This is suppose to be a beginners class and for the youth to get the feel of it before they move up a class! How or why would a parent or a kid want to get involved with a class or racing when they have to spend so much just to get involved in this class just to see if their kid wants to do this? You can climb all.over me all you want but if you have been on this class more than three years and your only in it to try and prove a point or try to get a national championship.out of it just to say you have that....it's really time to move on! The problem is the tracks aren't informing any of the rules they have set for this class! You constantly hear how a track wants to bring bring in New fans new drivers to keep the sport alive....how are you supposed to do that when you can't even keep a class affordable let alone keep under control? So much more I could say.......
 
I raced Modifieds from 1995/2001. I had $5000 in my WHOLE CAR. I quit when I could no longer compete. The last few years I've been racing neons. I can build a car with a mixture of STOCK parts for $2000 and win my fair share. Some people can't afford to move up.
 
Racin 90 . You have know clue what your talking about. because you setup your car and check it each week. doesn't mean it isn't stock parts that your dealing with.
I have had many pro 4 cars never had more than $2,000 dollars in them. most go fast parts or cars are guys who are good at fabrication, and figuring things out. Rob Shaw was
smart mechanic . good racer . that's why he won a lot. I have had a lot of fun in this class. and still do. about $2,500 in my current car.. if your smart . work hard . you can win in this class
on the cheap. Eldon Hempkin is also proof of this
 
What's the claim on a street stock suppose to be? All though I have seen some for sale for more than $15,000
 
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