RULES????????

Revin said:
We have always had the rules meeting for the past 11 years the 3rd of January for all classes. Regarding St. Stocks what major change were needed to be discussed?
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I dont know Kevin....maybe tires and why the rule change with the floorboards and firewall? Not saying im against it but damn.....we are being alienated from going to other tracks now with thay rule change! You might as well let us go with weight jacks now and lets bring the old sportsman cars out of the barns! Maybe if you do that the car counts would go up. I personally think the motor rules are fine. I mean i think we all need to work together not against each other, with the sheet metal rule now i feel we are working against one another. Lets be honest, if a guy is running for national points he cant go to a track where the other guy he is either chasng or is chasing him! This rule does nothing more than alienaye us to running tracks around here and that is assuming you can get the other tracks to go along with it! You know in a Facebook comment you called all of us a bunch of cry babys.....as im sure your well aware by now that comment did not set well with me. Apparently you havent read any of the comments from b-mod guys! Then your wife gets on here and says you guys have always tried to keep this class affordable! How are you doing that by keeping us from running other tracks? I realize that you dont have to change your floor pans and fire walls in your car but what about the guys that do change over? What if they want to run other tracks? They cant now with that rule change. Im with other drivers....lets focus on the more serious issues, such as tires. I guess everyone is assuming we are still allowed to run the emod A&H tire. If thats the case do we have a option to run street tires? If we run the emods are we allowed to sipe? What is the rules on this? You say you have always had the rules meeting in January, that i know is a fact but at the Taking It To The streets show your wife was telling people when they picked their checks up at the pay out window that you guys was having a rules meeting for the street stocks in three weeks! Those three weeks have came and gone! Where is that meeting at? Kevin work.wirh us not against us! You may not think you are but we feel you are! We realize with the dome race you have been busy, but talk to us....we all feel like we are shit on more than any class out there and then when we try to talk to you or any other promotor we feel you guys act like what we have to say isnt imporyant because we are a "support" class! Talk to us is all we are asking for, listen yo is and we are more than willing to listen to you also.
 
They quit running the street tires for safety. I was a official out there at that time. We were picking blown up tires off the track every night. The sidewalls are not designed to handle high loads at low tire pressure. When the track was 1/4 mile it was alright. The speeds reached on the 3/8 are too much.
 
In the street stocks how about letting Ford guys run a better carb than the junk autolite carb. And cut the Ford guys a break on frames. The Ford crown Vic frames are so big compared to the metric frames. Allow Ford guys to run a GM chassis. Kevin and Tammy I still haven't received my tow money in the mail for the 3000 to win bmod show that you guys did say you would mail me.
 
Mixing of engine and chassis manufactures has been ok'd for years now.
Gabriel ran a dodge powered metric car for years
 
dirtracerl77 said:
They quit running the street tires for safety. I was a official out there at that time. We were picking blown up tires off the track every night. The sidewalls are not designed to handle high loads at low tire pressure. When the track was 1/4 mile it was alright. The speeds reached on the 3/8 are too much.
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We ran firestone Indy 500 tires back in 08 and never once had 1 blow out or chunk out on us. And we had the same set on out car all year. And then after the year was over we put them on one of our cars for the winter. And bought a new set for the racecar.
 
help me out...the sportsman cars had factory rear suspensions for the most part--put a aftermarket fire wall in one and you have a street stock ???
 
millz said:
The main rule I am concerned about is the tire rule. I would like for us to be back on street tires. You can buy a new copper cobra tire of similar size for $70.( There are other options beside that) And a new Hoosier will cost $125. And the street tire will last longer .That is the biggest killer for us and many other car owners. I have also seen where other tracks across the country have going to a rule that says no more than 53% rear weight. It makes the cars more competitive and safer. ( I have seen and read about cars where they skimp on the roll cage to put more weight in the back) And I would also like you guys to allow the Ford's and dodges to run a factory 2 barrel Holley carburetor. The biggest 2 barrel carb that Ford used that wasn't a Holley is only 412cfm. Anything bigger than that and they used a factory Ford Holley carb. You guys are allowing the Rochester to be bored out to 500 c.f.m. this rule should help even that out for everybody
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Sorry but Ford never used a factory Holley two barrel on a small block engine. While their are disadvantages to the Motorcraft two barrel mostly due to the fact that they all came with a very large annular booster there are other big advantages to running the Ford engine package which should not be overlooked.
 
WELL-to all my FORD pals-just so happens I have a 351 W that is a Canadian block--was rebuilt and sat in a old ladies 78 LTD11 for 10 years-out on the ground..
 
FIREBALL said:
help me out...the sportsman cars had factory rear suspensions for the most part--put a aftermarket fire wall in one and you have a street stock ???
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Fireball.....for the most part... .YES. I mean there is a few other things that are different but as of right now....yes they are pretty much the same.
 
I am the ultimate optimist. The bomber class was a class that any person with a welder and any mechanical knowledge could have built one. Stock car, stock engine, stock shocks, street tires. I had more fun racing that class than ever. At the same time there was a sportsman class. hoosier tires ,racing shocks ,racing springs ,aluminum sheet metal, no stock fire wall. Anyone notice that the sportsman class is pretty much gone?
Instead of getting more things we should be getting less.
I sure hope the class is still around when my sons are old enough to race but I just don't see it.
 
Racn911 I'm with you. I loved racing the bomber class. I think I had around 1500 to 1800 max in the car and had a blast and compete with anyone. Not anymore.
 
You can use the stock firewall & floorboard if you want, I am not telling you it's mandatory.
Brownstown allows the tin floor & firewall. It's your choice. There is NO performance advantage to this rule,
only makes it easier to build. Every car still has to weigh the same.
Also concerning weight jacks, that opens a whole new story what about shocks?? All kinds of shocks would be readily available. that's $$$$
Engine rules remain the same. NO Holley Carbs. The Rochester is like having a restrictor plate.

Kevin
 
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I still say don't change anything, the aftermarket firewall and floor pan isn't a huge advantage for anyone so that's minor. I've never ran on street tires so don't have much say on those I just know I don't want to have to keep a whole nother set of rims and tires just to run tricity. Like I said on Facebook, any changes made from here on out are drawing us closer to sportsman's and less from street or factory stocks. And probably the most important rule that needs to be addressed, TECH. Most of the classes problem would probably go away if you'd just tech some cars. Looking down my carb doesn't really cut it. All these drivers are screaming for it so don't see why it's not happening.
 
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Kevin i can go along with the Rochester carb, but shocks i can get a set of QA1 heim mount shocks cheaper than i can the stock mount QA1 shocks. And that is in any valving that QA1 has. Then i can buy a revalve kit for around $100 if i chose to do so. A stock mount QA1 53 series shock right now is $139- $159 almost anywhere you go and a heim mount shock is around $80- $95. Not to mention i think we could possibly get more cars. Our motor rules will let us go almost anywhere other than other tracks allow a aluminum intake and Holly carb. If your carb is done right it is almost the same as a 500 cfm Holly. There is alot of power in the Rochester people just dont want to look at it the right way. I think if you allow us to run weight jacks and heim mount shocks we can pull them old sportsman out of the barns and get more cars which in turn puts more butts in the seats.
 
If you want to allow the old sportsman car.
1. Make them weld the weight jacks.
2. Have them weigh 150 to 200 lbs more
3. Run the street stock motor.
Then they would be more of a even playing field. JMO
 
I currently don't have a car so take my opinion for a grain of salt.
I do like the current rules. I honestly don't have an issue with the fire wall rule. I was reminiscing to simpler times in my earlier post. I'm with Kevin in that the Rochester is one of the best engine rules there is. Go ahead and spend big bucks on an big motor. Only so much air is getting through that Rochester. I'm a street tire guy and would love to see the class go back to em but I'm also aware that the speed at highland/ Belleville is a lot different than the speed at tri city. I can guarantee the street tires would be fine at the slower tracks. I can't say for tri city.
I'm certainly not on the up and up on what Hoosier is or isn't making. But in my opinion if street tires were ever gonna make a come back the time is now.
 
RACN911 said:
I currently don't have a car so take my opinion for a grain of salt.
I do like the current rules. I honestly don't have an issue with the fire wall rule. I was reminiscing to simpler times in my earlier post. I'm with Kevin in that the Rochester is one of the best engine rules there is. Go ahead and spend big bucks on an big motor. Only so much air is getting through that Rochester. I'm a street tire guy and would love to see the class go back to em but I'm also aware that the speed at highland/ Belleville is a lot different than the speed at tri city. I can guarantee the street tires would be fine at the slower tracks. I can't say for tri city.
I'm certainly not on the up and up on what Hoosier is or isn't making. But in my opinion if street tires were ever gonna make a come back the time is now.
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The problem with the Rochester is that they have not really been made in decades and the good ones have pretty much dried up and become very expensive.
 
Just putting this out there....lol.....and I know a bunch of guys are running them
 

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No matter how big the carb is it still have to pass a gauge test!!! And the weight Jack's and outboard shock is just $$$ after $$$$ to pay someone to add them.and the shocks mounts. Put us on all the new Hoosier m60s or whatever it is replacing the H tire, no grooving except outside edge to help last longer and race!!!!
 
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