Ump Champ

Hey Mustang your the idiot. Take a look at the entire top ten at I55, if you can find your way to the website. Look at the spread, and then try and use your extremely limited amount of brain power to figure out why its much tighter at I55, and a one man show at Mt Melvin. Whenever you see a performance like that (Melvin's at Mt Melvin), it does not demonstrate the exceptional ability of one man, it shows the complete lack of any competition at the track. Only a freaking idiot would think anything else. And since that is the case, then you can only really say that Rodney had competition on half or less than half of the nights that he competed for the other chunk of his UMP championship points, whereas Special Ed had competition EVERY time he raced.

Hey go figure how Rodney won the UMP title, bottom line is that he will win it every year from here on out unless his motor blows up or something else goes wrong regularly, cause he sure isnt going to have any problem winning at Mt Melvin, theres nobody at that track who is well funded enough to make it a championship fight. You admit that yourself, Burwell is running a borrowed transmission, tires from Heck, etc, you think Ed is having to buy parts for the competition at I55? Hell no, cause the guys racing there have got the budgets and equipment to make it a race. Not like Mt Melvin.

Oh yeah, and I am a vet too. So get over it. And for your information, it doesnt take any qualifications as a human being to win elections or breed.
 
mustang

These five drivers that you have listed, when you take dixon and gundaker out, who would know these other guys?
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112 is the 2002 track champ atI'55
67just won the $5000 fall nationals
441 is one of the longest running race teams in the area
I am sure you don't know who they are- but some advice-never underestimate them,,,,cause if you do, by that time, its too late,,,, the race is over,,, and your not the winner.


Congrats to all Drivers !!!!!
 
Everyone has the right to their own opinion. I don't frequent either of the tracks in question very often. Just to settle the argument,why doesn't everyone hook up and come north for a race or two next year. The point is that there are some very good race teams out there.Not just at one track or another. Big Owners/Promoters do nothing for me. Good,fun,competitive racing is what will get me to the track. As for Dixon and Melvin-You Guys can fight that one out.
 
Im not only a fan of Melvin, Dixon, Oller, Rat, ect, I am just a race fan. I am also a huge Ken Schrader fan.

I have said this before, but, no where in the rule book states you must compete at I-55 to win the championchip. It was the same thing last year when English won. Same thing when Faust won. Geeesshhhh. Get a life, the UMP Late model champ has to have two good nights of racing.

Just give him some credit, Melvin is 2nd in CoC points. Ahead of the i-55 regulars. T.nie what your comment on those point standings? Talk about talent. What more do you want. Melvin was very committed to this year. I would like to know the total number of nights Melvin and Dixon raced this year. I'm guessing, Melvin raced more than Dixon. If I can recall correctly, I-55 rained out a couple of times this year and other tracks ran, I don't think Dixon ran a couple of those times. If I-55 is sooooo great, why don't they pay more to win the feature than other tracks? If its better competition, more butts in the seats, shouldn't the winner win more $$$? hmmmmmm.

Its the way UMP is set, if you don't like it voice your concerns with UMP, but congrat the guy that won the title.

Congrats to all the champs.
 
Highland pays $1,000
Belleville pays $1,000
Montgomery pays $1,000 with 15 + cars.
Godfrey may pay $1,200

I thought I heard someone say Mt. Vernon is now paying $750
 
Originally posted by GAS It
Just give him some credit, Melvin is 2nd in CoC points. Ahead of the i-55 regulars. T.nie what your comment on those point standings?
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Take a look at the number of times Rodney raced in the CoC events when Ed didnt. I make it 8. Kind of explains that now doesnt it?
 
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Originally posted by GAS It
Just give him some credit, Melvin is 2nd in CoC points. Ahead of the i-55 regulars. T.nie what your comment on those point standings?
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Take a look at the number of times Rodney raced in the CoC events when Ed didnt. I make it 8. Kind of explains that now doesnt it.


That is what I am saying, Rodney was more committed to racing this year than Ed. That appears to be fact.
 
Before we start debating who is the most committed driver based on attendance at race events, lets just get back to your original post.

You tried to use the fact that Rod was out in front of the I55 guys to make a point that he was talented, or better than they are, then you asked me to comment on the point standings. I did. I dont think him being out in front of them in the CoC standings says much, considering Ed raced in 8 less events than Rod.

You ask "what more do you want" and my answer is, give credit to the guy that actually has to beat serious competition every week at his home track, not the guy who shows up and drives away from people he is giving tires and transmissions to so that they can race. I dont really think that fits the criteria for "serious competition," now, do you?

And I am sure the UMP folks take a look at what gets said on here, even though they make no comment. So these very debates will draw these credibility issues to their attention.
 
The point I was making on the CoC series, is that he is up against top competition at every event.

The way UMP points are awarded, the more you race the more points are going to calculate.

I agree the talent at I-55 is better than Mt V.

It would be interesting to see how many UMP points Rodney recd at Mt. V. It would guess it would be about 50% of his total points.

This debate has been going on for years, and will continue until its changed, then we will debate the new rules.
 
Originally posted by GAS It

It would be interesting to see how many UMP points Rodney recd at Mt. V. It would guess it would be about 50% of his total points.
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Along those lines, I actually looked at the total feature wins count, and Rod has 26 to Ed's 13, and it made me think how many of those wins were at Mt Melvin? I would bet at least 15 if not more, so theres the UMP championship pretty much right there.
 
I think the post by mustang cleared most of this up. rodney has 12 feature wins at tracks OTHER than Mt.Vernon. so really he only had to count points for 2 feature wins at his home track to have more than Dixon. seems pretty simple to me....dont understand what the deal is?? Rodney won the championship, not just by winning at Mt.Vernon
 
If Ed, who I think is a graet driver, really wanted to be points champ. He would have chased Rodney around, to beat him head to head. Rodney, also graet, was in 1st most of the season he sure as heck wasn't going to go looking to get beat. It's up to the guys who want to knock him off.

If I'm not mistaken, I think the championship was worth $30,000.oo this year, well worth the extra miles and trouble.

So I'm asking, how bad did Ed want it? Or, didn't he even think he could get the job done?
 
Originally posted by 27RaceFan
I think the post by mustang cleared most of this up. rodney has 12 feature wins at tracks OTHER than Mt.Vernon. so really he only had to count points for 2 feature wins at his home track to have more than Dixon. seems pretty simple to me....dont understand what the deal is?? Rodney won the championship, not just by winning at Mt.Vernon
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How about we take a look at this then, since it seems to be very difficult for the Melvin maniacs to figure out. What if Dixon could just show up every Sat night at I55 and walk away with it? Do you really think that Rod would be the champion then? I kinda doubt it, but thats the point, Ed races every week where there is competition, and Rodney doesnt. But if Ed were to have his cake and eat it too at his regular Sat night track, winning almost every feature comfortably, then Rod would be a distant second. Are you seeing this picture clearly now? If Ed had the Sat night points haul guaranteed, the way Rodney does, how close would your boy be then? Not very, I dont think.
 
I agree t.nie, I don"t think Ed really wants to win the ump championship, I think he just wants to run where theres good compitition. My girlfriend is new to racing and we go to belleville alot (because it"s close to home) and she asked me why Dixon doesn"t run there very often given the fact that he"s won championships there in the past and I told her he likes to run Godfry one, because it"s bigger but more importantly because that"s where the bigger names run. I think it drives him more when he knows he could get beat. By the way, does anybody know if he"s gonna be at belleville tomorrow night?
 
Jeez, some of you people are ate up!
Todd what the he** has happened to you?
You need to join a debate club brother...man you come off like a know it all jerk on here lately.
 
You still dont get it, Rodney didnt need all the wins at mt.Vernon. 12 wins came from other tracks!!! dixon had wins at I55 and Godfrey. And Im sorry but there wasnt much competiton at godfrey with M Faust gone most of the season. It looks to me as though Mark would have had the points there had he ran all year.
 
The topic for debate on this particular thread is the UMP champ, so I figured it was ok to debate that topic on this thread. Sorry, didnt know that simply posting my thoughts on this subject made me a "know it all jerk."
 
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