UMP license??

I never said that it shouldn't be questioned. I think that I made it clear that I would like to see what I'm getting for my money (increased point fund, UMP tech officials at the track, etc). I am also a realist and I know that there is nothing that any of us is going to do about it. Anyone who has had any dealings with UMP knows that any input from the drivers/owners, etc falls on deaf ears. I understand that if I want to race at the local tracks, I need to buy the license. Its part of the deal. That is just one less new tire that I will be able to afford on my budget. That is the route that I am going to take. You can boycott the local tracks if you like, but if enough people do that, we all know what is going to happen.
 
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Bottom line is you have an option. You don't have to pay and you don't have to race. I like when people say well i pay this much to race and guess what you choose to do that. No one makes you. What most forget is this is a hobby and not a job. These tracks and promoters can make you pay for a license and if choose not to they can tell you well you can't race at my track and that is the bottom line. If you feel you are not getting your money's worth then don't race at that track and find a non ump track and race there.
 
mkoch96 said:
I never said that it shouldn't be questioned. I think that I made it clear that I would like to see what I'm getting for my money (increased point fund, UMP tech officials at the track, etc). I am also a realist and I know that there is nothing that any of us is going to do about it. Anyone who has had any dealings with UMP knows that any input from the drivers/owners, etc falls on deaf ears. I understand that if I want to race at the local tracks, I need to buy the license. Its part of the deal. That is just one less new tire that I will be able to afford on my budget. That is the route that I am going to take. You can boycott the local tracks if you like, but if enough people do that, we all know what is going to happen.
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Exactly, now this guy gets it.
 
Ok here we are again with "THE OPTIONS" pay some anonymous organization a $100 bucks to race OR don't and not race.... sure...... fayette co. Speedway (my home track) has been having weekly races longer than I can remember..... I am a 2nd generation racer and my family has been involved with that place since the early 80's among other families, many other families the deal family has been gone to a 3rd generation and grooming the 4th....... racing isn't a job and for most racers it isn't a hobby..... some might call it a desease... I call it a way of life....... that is MY racetrack and I take pride in that....... and I find it offensive that UMP wants me to pay them to continue to do what my family has done for 20 years....... without them....... now if at some point they prove to be of any value to me or my promotor, my racetrack, or my class then........ we'll talk but up to this point they have not.... I have never nor any of my weekly competitors been teched by ump nor have i ever cashed a check that said ump on the top.... I'd rather give the cash to my local promoter...... sorry about the rant but this irks the hell out of me......
 
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Ok here we are again with "THE OPTIONS" pay some anonymous organization a $100 bucks to race OR don't and not race.... sure...... fayette co. Speedway (my home track) has been having weekly races longer than I can remember..... I am a 2nd generation racer and my family has been involved with that place since the early 80's among other families, many other families the deal family has been gone to a 3rd generation and grooming the 4th....... racing isn't a job and for most racers it isn't a hobby..... some might call it a desease... I call it a way of life....... that is MY racetrack and I take pride in that....... and I find it offensive that UMP wants me to pay them to continue to do what my family has done for 20 years....... without them....... now if at some point they prove to be of any value to me or my promotor, my racetrack, or my class then........ we'll talk but up to this point they have not.... I have never nor any of my weekly competitors been teched by ump nor have i ever cashed a check that said ump on the top.... I'd rather give the cash to my local promoter...... sorry about the rant but this irks the hell out of me......
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Good comments Kris...
 
medic_33 said:
Ok here we are again with "THE OPTIONS" pay some anonymous organization a $100 bucks to race OR don't and not race.... sure...... fayette co. Speedway (my home track) has been having weekly races longer than I can remember..... I am a 2nd generation racer and my family has been involved with that place since the early 80's among other families, many other families the deal family has been gone to a 3rd generation and grooming the 4th....... racing isn't a job and for most racers it isn't a hobby..... some might call it a desease... I call it a way of life....... that is MY racetrack and I take pride in that....... and I find it offensive that UMP wants me to pay them to continue to do what my family has done for 20 years....... without them....... now if at some point they prove to be of any value to me or my promotor, my racetrack, or my class then........ we'll talk but up to this point they have not.... I have never nor any of my weekly competitors been teched by ump nor have i ever cashed a check that said ump on the top.... I'd rather give the cash to my local promoter...... sorry about the rant but this irks the hell out of me......
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medic, maybe that is good for your promoter and your track but, maybe other promoters and tracks don't feel the same way. UMP (united midwest promoters) is for the promoters and they have the right to say whether or not you should have a license to run at their track. I understand what you are saying and I'm not saying i agree with everything ump stands for or is doing but, it is up to the tracks and promoters and not the racer unless you take the stand not to race at their track.
 
It is just ridiculous that my son bought a membership ay the Speed Expo show at Springfield,and has never been asked for the ID card yet this year. I guess it is his fault for getting in so quick,but I should have known UMP was blowing smoke. They have been since Mr Memmer died. Now they say you don't need the membership card,,you can purchase a temp for $25.Wow! Maybe,,just maybe,UMP will finally hire someone who is reputatible for teching these other classes..Never have seen a UMP inspector look at a street stock since they got greedy and sanctioned every class they could find,,about 5 years now they have promised a UNIFIED set of street stock rues and to no avail,,,,NOTHING....Now the same thing is happening with the sport mods.....Every track has a set of their own rules because someone has influence on the track managers. Don't let them run this because,,,,,,,,don't let them do that either because,,,,,,let me run this piece because,,,,You get it? Then they throw this "track rules" BS in there so now you are track bound,,,,Being a UMP member should allow you to go to any UMP track to race your car!!!Not to be told you can't run this because it is a track rule Being a UMP member should let you race your street stock and B mod anywhere in the US as long as it is UMP sanctioned,,,I am afraid that racing is taking a tumble more so for the stupid rule stuff instead of the economy..I live in Fayette County and my son is putting a B Mod together,,,,really don't know why because he will be bound to Fayette County and Highland only,,,,because someone has some power to influence the tracks to go by some kind of track rules that are not printed on UMP's web site,,,Why? Track rules are just that,,,,if you want to run track rules,,get out of UMP,,then everyone can be bound to your tracks,,,,I really do not understand why UMP hasn't got the balls to stop this crap anyway,,,If you pay UMP dues then run under UMP rules only,,not what you want to make up.
 
There is a third option. Go to Charlie and explain to him that he does not need to be UMP sanctioned. You say that UMP does nothing for the track or the promoter. If that is true, he shouldn't be too hard to convince.

Maybe we could get an answer from a promoter as to what UMP actually does for them because I don't know as I'm sure most racers don't.

I wonder if tracks are still allowed to have some of their classes UMP sanctioned and some unsanctioned or it it is an all-or-none type of situation.
 
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There is a third option. Go to Charlie and explain to him that he does not need to be UMP sanctioned. You say that UMP does nothing for the track or the promoter. If that is true, he shouldn't be too hard to convince.

Maybe we could get an answer from a promoter as to what UMP actually does for them because I don't know as I'm sure most racers don't.

I wonder if tracks are still allowed to have some of their classes UMP sanctioned and some unsanctioned or it it is an all-or-none type of situation.
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All I am wanting is an even playing field,,,If UMP prints out a set of rules,,they should be good anywhere.. Right now this means nothing..they have UMP rules but change what they want,,,,This wouldn't work if Illinois State Police gave us a rules of the road book and said here are the rules,,,but then you never see a police car and you do what ever you want,,,Same thing here,,,NEED TECH MEN NOW and go by what is in the Organization,,not what you want to make up. After the membership drive last winter when UMP put on the scare tactic about having the license,,they should have the funds to hire them.
 
I agree...... unified rules........ combine a few classes..... simplify the rules and present a professional presence at the weekly racetrack in the form of a represenitive and/or tech person and we would immediatly see the benifit and for the money they are asking from us that is not too much to ask for....... then we could start working on getting them to listen to the racers but that is a whole new thread.......
 
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I was checked from day 1 at highland. And am still asked to see it almost weekly.
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Bell-CLair Checks them as well adn Every night we race Highland they check for a lic. and they check your tires to make sure they are the CORRECT TIRES. Glad to see someone is doing the right thing. Someone was on another thread crying about Highland enforcing the tire rules I say congratulations for "DOING YOUR JOB"
 
HELL YOU THINK THATS BAD TRY TO RUN A SPORTSMAN or a STREET STOCK CAR on UMP rules now that is a joke there. every track has their own set of rules BUT THEY ALL WANT UMP to give them a set of rules.
 
I'm all for unified rules but, if UMP unifies the Sportsman, Factory Stock, Limited Modified & Sport Compact rules and says "no exceptions" and your track adopts those rules and your car is completely obsolete, then what..

You will be on here throwing a huge fit...

The UMP Stock Car rules are uniform. The UMP Factory Stocks are not.
 
That is kinda my thought about the unified rules issue. If the factory stock and sportsman guys are looking for standard rules, maybe they both need to give a little and wind up landing in the middle with the UMP stock car class. The sportsman guys would be changing less to do that than to try to unify all of the sportsman rules from around the country.I would venture a bet that the sportsman guys would be much more open to that suggestion now than they were 5 years ago. The problem is that it would take a pretty good majority of the drivers to go to the promoters with that idea, right now a local factory stock guy doesn't have much to gain by combining, and you're always going to tick some guys off.

Heck, the modifieds are supposed to be the same rules everywhere, but we can't even get all of the tracks on the same tire rule. How difficult is it going to be to get a bunch of guys to start cutting on their cars to make them universal?
 
The Modified tire rule from UMP is unified. It is A, D or H. Tracks do NOT have to allow all three..

It is the same for Late Models, UMP rule is LM10, LM20, LM30 & LM40.. Tracks do NOT have to allow all four.. Most only allow LM20 and LM40.
 
And that is exactly what I have a problem with. Why does UMP feel the need to allow the tracks to make exceptions to their rules. Why can't they just say "these are the rules, and that's it"? Personally, I like the A and H tire rule for modifieds. But (and I may be in the minority here) I would be happier if all tracks had to allow D's than I am with the current situation. They are not unified rules if tracks are allowed to change any of it.
 
Best bet if you don't have a license and don't want to cough up the money all at once have the track take $10 bucks each night you race and when you have you license payed for then ump will mail it too you.I got mine in one week from the time I sent my money in.Ump pays out a lot of money to the point fund for all class.Best deal out there for racers to race at there home track and have a chance to take home some extra point money from ump.
 
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