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oK. I have some questions. Can a sportsman car be converted over to a crate car? Can the frame still be used? What mods have to be made to the engine or do you have to have a different one? What about wheels and tires? Just give me the facts. There is a reason I'm asking. What parts of a sportsman car can be used?
 
the allied legal manifold is probobly one of the least expensive manifolds you can buy! and if you need to have it machined to fit your heads, then your heads are illegal anyway, so you need to locate some of those also! bottom line is allied sportsman rules work, so they dont need to change!
 
HOFFMAN1D said:
the allied legal manifold is probobly one of the least expensive manifolds you can buy! and if you need to have it machined to fit your heads, then your heads are illegal anyway, so you need to locate some of those also! bottom line is allied sportsman rules work, so they dont need to change!
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Im sorry..i should have been more clear. These Dart's i have are cut and milled. If you just throw a manifold on it..it will leak. Found out the hard way. Had to have it matched to the heads. Yes..the manifold is cheap. Machine work is not..only point i was flying across.
 
racin rocks said:
oK. I have some questions. Can a sportsman car be converted over to a crate car? Can the frame still be used? What mods have to be made to the engine or do you have to have a different one? What about wheels and tires? Just give me the facts. There is a reason I'm asking. What parts of a sportsman car can be used?
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They do allow stub cars. But..with the weight advantage of full tube vs stub and 75 percent tube..to be honest to have a good chance to win or run up front it would be best to just buy a full late chassis. Plus..you have to re bracket the rear end to accept 4 bars and quick change or whatever suspension you should decide to use. But my car the cage sits in the middle and that right there would be too much work to slide it back. Id be better off getting another car. But im working on it.
 
crash8105 said:
Racer 85 mabe if you would get a job or somethiing instead of your name being on this post 50 times you could buy a better car. No one on here has said that you guys shouldn't have a place to race but you need to stop starting crap cause someone may finish it for you.
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Dont bash the crate dudes...im happy they get to run. Its not their fault and they are making some good points. I dont see no crap being started and this person actually races a crate. Finish it for..whom? Who are you and is that a personal threat to him..or any crate person because if so...thats wrong. He is just stating an opinion and respectfully doing so. They have a right to say as they please. If you donot like it..post away but dont harrass. They are crates..some of us are actually sportsman drivers but all in all..we are all racers.
 
racin rocks, very few parts interchange... sportsman use a factory frame where as crates use a late model tube frame. the crates must use the GM 602 or 604 sealed crate motor. The crates use the same wheels as any late model and the tires must be the Hoosier wrs tire. Where as the sportsman use 8 in steel wheels and the Hoosier Emod tire. Dean, is there that big of a difference between the allied legal intake and a victor jr with the 4412 2 barrel carb? You have to also consider Where UMP is going to go with the motors. I highly doubt they will have an intake rule as restrictive as allied. Besides is it really working? Belleville's car count was down last year from the year before and I know a few guys that would have run there if not for that one rule. I believe it is more important now than ever before to get the rules for the sportsman standardized in this area. I really thought this class could be saved but now I'm not so sure. With Godfrey gone, Brownstown dropping them last year and now TSC your options are greatly limited in this area.
 
Extreme, you are right about the limited places to run. What is left in this area?
Belleclair (Allied Rules), Pevely (Allied Rules), Highland (own rules), MCS (own rules). Not that I feel Allied rules are the best but half of the tracks locally are running their rules. Allied is the only place close to run on Fridays and one of three for Saturdays. I would think that converting to Allied's rules would give you more places to race and still fit in under Highlands rules if you want to skip Pevely, now and then. Not sure about MCS rules but I think that most TCS and Highland cars were illegal there.
 
I think what you are saying right there is why the crate deal is starting to replace the sportsman class. The way the rules are a crate can run just about run anywhere in the country with maybe just a change of tires. Sportsman cars are locked to a certain tracks rules and I really think that the promoters do that on purpose to keep "there" cars from straying to other tracks.
 
Right now all we have is Highland. Your TCS Sportsman is legal there You can run at MCS but you have to be on a 4 link rearend and run "A" e-mods With a few engine changes you would be Allied legal Then who knows what Mt. Vernon, Jacksonville, or Fayette Co. might come up with. Also with a few body changes you could race in the USSE steet stock division if they even have them anywhere this year.
 
Like i was saying that is why i think that the crate deal is going to be a better deal, standardized rules. I mean i can't really afford it either but if i do get my car put together and my local track drops them there are 10 more in the area running them.
 
attention tri-city sportsman drivers....come to highland and race....I hear that they will qualify the sportsmans every other weekend switching off with the modifides...now this will be awsome!!
 
schmittracn19 said:
attention tri-city sportsman drivers....come to highland and race....I hear that they will qualify the sportsmans every other weekend switching off with the modifides...now this will be awsome!!
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I hope the sportsman find a place to race, but allot of you guys need to chill and realize what your saying. It stinks for the sportsman guys but it's really cool for the crate guys. I think what coletrickle says is right since there really isn't much about a sportsman from here that would be legal to take to a track outta the area. Seems alot of you folks were saying the same thing about the UMP Sportsman rules and how a car from here is racing against a car from Kamp or someplace like that where there cars are more like late models. At least a crate is the same car most anywhere you take it if you switch out the tires.
 
bopper said:
I doubt dropping the sportsman was done for profit reasons. The average car count for sportsman was 26.8, I highly doubt crate lates will average that. If the crates come close to that mark I would bet that it will be at the expense of super lates.
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It might take some supers away but if it keeps guys racing then it's good in the end.
 
hey crate lover I don't think revin kevin is re doing the track for just a few classes he would like all classes to prosper with out it the track will not exist I know if the supers or mods are dropped or basic no existence many fans like my self will not be there I think ole revin Kevin is barking up the wrong tree
 
crash8105 said:
Racer 85 mabe if you would get a job or somethiing instead of your name being on this post 50 times you could buy a better car. No one on here has said that you guys shouldn't have a place to race but you need to stop starting crap cause someone may finish it for you.
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WOW!! A very intelligent post here."And I got called the 10 year old LOL" Let me help you out with some info. I am a IBEW Local 702 Journeyman wireman (Electrician if you didn't know what that was). I work 40 hours a week to support my family and racing. I own a 2005 Rayburn powered by a 604 Crate Motor, I didn't realize that I needed a better car or a better job. But I am glad you are worried about me so much. I especially like the comment about someone finishing it for me. Thank You Racin 90, as for you actually see what I am trying to do here.

My problem was that these sportsman drivers decided to take out there fustration on the Crate Class. (And don't say they didn't go look at the post's). Crate car's are no less of a race car than these cars and the driver's are no less of drivers. We also need places to race. Also if you re-read my posts I never once downgraded sportsman cars like you people downgraded crate cars.

So Extreme Race Cars, Momma Drew and who ever else. My point is I am going to defend my class just as much as you are going to defend you class. If that is not what you want to hear I am sorry but That is the way I am. It is not the class I have a problem with it, it is the uneducated people that get on here Belittling(I believe that is what it is called) Crates. And in this case it is some of your fellow "disgruntaled sportsman drivers". These are the people that my comments are directed at.
 
so I see you s#$% C#% one class to bring another class that track has been snake bitten since the get been going there since 1962 always been like always will
 
Stupid

Tcs Is One Of The Worst Tracks Around.the New One Wont Be Any Better.i55 And Belleville Is Were Its At.sportsman Drivers Dont Sell Out.crate Cars Could Push Push Their Own Self On The Trailor.bad Decission..............b Town.......i55
 
I wouldn't bash the crates or the tracks that run them. There is a place for crates, it's unfortunate that it cost the Sportsman at TC. Face it the Super lates are getting expensive. The price is forcing a lot of guys out of the sport. Without a lot of money backing you are going to be an also ran. For a lot of guys this is fine. Others are spending more to get to the front. Engine costs have gone up, I bet there aren't many of the supers with $5,000 motors.

Crates cut the cost of engine "development", thus cutting overall costs. Yes guys will be spending more elsewhere. Which may not be a bad idea. Some guys are in over their head with the power in their motors.
 
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