For those wanting more Tri-City info, here you go!

RACER 85 said:
WOW!! A very intelligent post here."And I got called the 10 year old LOL" Let me help you out with some info. I am a IBEW Local 702 Journeyman wireman (Electrician if you didn't know what that was). I work 40 hours a week to support my family and racing. I own a 2005 Rayburn powered by a 604 Crate Motor, I didn't realize that I needed a better car or a better job. But I am glad you are worried about me so much. I especially like the comment about someone finishing it for me. Thank You Racin 90, as for you actually see what I am trying to do here.

My problem was that these sportsman drivers decided to take out there fustration on the Crate Class. (And don't say they didn't go look at the post's). Crate car's are no less of a race car than these cars and the driver's are no less of drivers. We also need places to race. Also if you re-read my posts I never once downgraded sportsman cars like you people downgraded crate cars.

So Extreme Race Cars, Momma Drew and who ever else. My point is I am going to defend my class just as much as you are going to defend you class. If that is not what you want to hear I am sorry but That is the way I am. It is not the class I have a problem with it, it is the uneducated people that get on here Belittling(I believe that is what it is called) Crates. And in this case it is some of your fellow "disgruntaled sportsman drivers". These are the people that my comments are directed at.
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Your welcome. I love the crate class just noone can sell their sportsman stuff to go crates..especially now. Its a little frustrating. I do have some $$$ to buy something..but i have to sell my stuff first(so the wife says..lol). I hope this class really gets going and you guys put on a full field week in and week out. got to respect someone who actually races the division and replies on here and does it respectfully. I do agree the comment ...or someone will finish it for you...is only making the other sortsman drivers look like a bunch of hoosiers in a way and its uncalled for. Its racing..its what we do. Some of us are drivers..some are fans. But we love to race..see a good show and i think Kevin is on the right track..uh..sort of too speak..lol.
 
I think someone needs to point out that crate engine late models are a cheaper form of Late Model racing, not some kind of magic wand to make racing in general "cheap." There is nothing cheap about crate engine late model racing, you still have to have a decent amount of money to spend or you won't be racing very often.

Personally, with so few tracks running either the sportsman to a consistent set of rules, or crates, I can't really see why racers would be enticed to change classes, when either car will only be of limited use under the best of circumstances. Unless of course you don't mind running against Supers with a crate engine, but most racers I know want to run against their own class, not the class above them.

if I were to be putting a racing program together for 2007, I think I would be sticking a 604 crate engine in a modified roller and get the best of both worlds. A reasonable power plant for dry slick tracks and 8 inch tires, and a car I could race anywhere.
 
RACER 85 said:
Call us local's or not I have a place to race and you don't. Just because we decided to race a crate late model makes us no different than you deciding to race a street stock. It just looks like we made a better decision than you did.
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The only one bashing crates to the point you made those comments was mad daddy(and I don't think he qualifies as a sportsman guy lol) I don't care what you do for a living those comments were childish. I don't have anything against the crates, as a matter of fact I suggested one of my sportsman guys may want to go that route next year. I also don't have a problem with you or anyone promoting crates, I do however feel the TCS sportsman guys got the shaft on this deal and you or anyone else for that matter gloating about it is wrong. whoopee good for you, you now have a place to race on friday...28 sportsman guys don't does that really make you that happy?
 
ExtremeRaceCars said:
The only one bashing crates to the point you made those comments was mad daddy(and I don't think he qualifies as a sportsman guy lol) I don't care what you do for a living those comments were childish. I don't have anything against the crates, as a matter of fact I suggested one of my sportsman guys may want to go that route next year. I also don't have a problem with you or anyone promoting crates, I do however feel the TCS sportsman guys got the shaft on this deal and you or anyone else for that matter gloating about it is wrong. whoopee good for you, you now have a place to race on friday...28 sportsman guys don't does that really make you that happy?
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Seems to be the trend these day ,always somebody getting the shaft in one way shape or form!!!!
 
t.nie said:
I think someone needs to point out that crate engine late models are a cheaper form of Late Model racing, not some kind of magic wand to make racing in general "cheap." There is nothing cheap about crate engine late model racing, you still have to have a decent amount of money to spend or you won't be racing very often.

Personally, with so few tracks running either the sportsman to a consistent set of rules, or crates, I can't really see why racers would be enticed to change classes, when either car will only be of limited use under the best of circumstances. Unless of course you don't mind running against Supers with a crate engine, but most racers I know want to run against their own class, not the class above them.

if I were to be putting a racing program together for 2007, I think I would be sticking a 604 crate engine in a modified roller and get the best of both worlds. A reasonable power plant for dry slick tracks and 8 inch tires, and a car I could race anywhere.
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Now you wouldn't be pushing everyone towards the Fastrak mods and away from the C.A.R.S late models would you?? :D
 
If I was trying to do that, I would be saying "put a 602 in a mod" cause that's the engine Fastrak Mods used. That's not what I said, so you can read into that whatever you want. I am not trying to push anyone toward anything. I just think that sportsmans or crates at this time do not really offer as much flexibility as far as where you can go race it as a Modified.
 
jmo

no one will be happy no matter what class was cut if it would of been street stocks. sportsman would be smiling about it. everything changes with time it is nothing personal im sure to cut the sportsman. i understand people are upset but at this point you can not change nothing. the decision has been made so you can bash all you want and nothing is going to change.. if racing doesm't get the support it needs it will be a thing of the past. look at godfrey speedway gone it could be worst the post could of read tri-city speedway will close permanetly get over it and move on dont dwell on the past................................
 
Dean, is there that big of a difference between the allied legal intake and a victor jr with the 4412 2 barrel carb? You have to also consider Where UMP is going to go with the motors. I highly doubt they will have an intake rule as restrictive as allied. no there is not a big differance when using the 4412,and factory heads, but woth aftermarket heads i would say there is a differance, that is why the rule is still in place, we did not want to screw the guys that were against switching to the aftermarket heads! so you shouldnt have a problem changing!
 
craterracer said:
Huh? please explain.
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how young are you that track is notorious for changing after a couple years has b ville done that or I55 no and oh by the way they only have 4 classes they get the show over with and on to the next week and so does highland even with 5 classes but tri city can't imagine that it won't change just begetting home at2 30 am on sat. morning instead of mon. oh well heading to b ville
 
t.nie said:
If I was trying to do that, I would be saying "put a 602 in a mod" cause that's the engine Fastrak Mods used. That's not what I said, so you can read into that whatever you want. I am not trying to push anyone toward anything. I just think that sportsmans or crates at this time do not really offer as much flexibility as far as where you can go race it as a Modified.
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I stand corrected. Thank you.
 
ExtremeRaceCars said:
I don't care what you do for a living those comments were childish.
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This statement wasn't directed at you, they were directed at the gentleman that suggested I get a better job so I could buy a better car. (remember the sportsman driver that was going to finish it for me crash08125) When he had absolutly no clue what I did for a living. I understand that you are mad that 28 sportsman cars don't have a place to race, but on the other side 28 Crate cars do. Also mad daddy wasn't the only one I believe there was a comment about concession stands by another user. Call me childish or whatever you like I am still going to stand up for Crates against all naysayers.
 
first off, i would start by saying i'm not really a stock car guy. by my user id, it's evident im an open wheel guy. i got a chuckle out of racer85's comment that 'when i wreck on friday, i have no problem finding parts on saturday.' with that thought in mind, i went to paducah's website, and checked weekly results. i stopped on june 2; that was enough for me... a couple of rainouts not counted, there were 7 nights of racing to that point. racer85 was only there twice. 3 out of those 7 nights, there were 10 cars in the CARS class. one was 14 cars. i keep up with most types of racing, and 10-14 cars is poor. very poor. did a little more checking, and that was pretty typical for this class at other tracks. i wonder how long a class can live at any weekly facility with this poor car count. and for a driver to comment about how much he crashes is pretty comical, in my book. not bashing racer85, but basically just using his own statement.
 
midget racer said:
first off, i would start by saying i'm not really a stock car guy. by my user id, it's evident im an open wheel guy. i got a chuckle out of racer85's comment that 'when i wreck on friday, i have no problem finding parts on saturday.' with that thought in mind, i went to paducah's website, and checked weekly results. i stopped on june 2; that was enough for me... a couple of rainouts not counted, there were 7 nights of racing to that point. racer85 was only there twice. 3 out of those 7 nights, there were 10 cars in the CARS class. one was 14 cars. i keep up with most types of racing, and 10-14 cars is poor. very poor. did a little more checking, and that was pretty typical for this class at other tracks. i wonder how long a class can live at any weekly facility with this poor car count. and for a driver to comment about how much he crashes is pretty comical, in my book. not bashing racer85, but basically just using his own statement.
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I'm Sorry I don't know where you got these results at but here is the site that you can get the real results at:
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/?page=results.cfm

Let's see here
3/24/2006 9 cars I was there! (opening night No points awarded)
3/31/2006 17 cars I was there!
4/07/2006 14 cars I was there!
4/14/2006 18 cars I was there!
4/28/2006 16 cars I was there!
5/12/2006 18 cars My car was there. I loaned it to a friend to go racing and it got totaled it took us two weeks to fix it.

Midget racer I hope this help's Let's see here that is 6 nights, of that Racer 85 was there 5 times(car was there all six) not two and 1 night we had less than 10 not 3 nights. Sorry for you confusion.
 
midget racer, actually Racer85 is correct about his above listed dates. He was there, you were not if I am not mistaken. At Paducah on 5/12 the date that his car was driven by Chris Winters it was destroyed in a big crash, you may have seen a clip of it on SPEED. You might even be able to find a clip of it on You-Tube if you look. With that being said I don't know what any of this has to do with the races at Tri-City Speedway and why you would compare the two?

The first night the C.A.R.S. WRS raced at Tri-City Speedway there was a low car count of only 11 but if you look at the results that night all classes were low because of the rain that was in the area, as a matter of fact the races ended up being rained out that night. Other than that one night the C.A.R.S. WRS had good car counts at Tri-City Speedway, a track that didn't run crates weekly & crates are still new to the area. You seem to have just made up what you wanted people to hear, that is kind of like some other people I know. All I can say is Keep Watching!
 
what i dont get is why they would run two late model divisions. i can see running the cars late models but why run the super late models most of these guys would go to ump tracks i would think. the class that all these tracks need to look at are the mods dont get me wrong i like them but man the have a lot of yellows .i like the sportmans and it does ****s that there not going to run there because i have friends that were going to run there but i will race on friday and go watch them and get drunk on sat
 
RACER 85 said:
Midget racer I hope this help's Let's see here that is 6 nights, of that Racer 85 was there 5 times(car was there all six) not two and 1 night we had less than 10 not 3 nights. Sorry for you confusion.
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Well, anyone who knows me knows I like to research stuff. (I would like to thank the usernames shared by Ed Pursell and Sean Franklin for the link.)


3-24 10 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 3rd)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR03-24-06.htm

3-31 17 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 4th) http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/3-31 results pir.htm

4-07 14 CARS (total CARS in heats, Racer85 Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-07-06.htm

4-14 15 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-14-06.htm

4-21 Rained out

4-28 15 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 11th)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-28-06.htm

5-04 Rained out

5-12 19 CARS (Ed Pursell not listed, but car #85 driven by Chris Winters)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-12-2006.htm

5-19 10 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-19-06.htm

5-26 14 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-26-06.htm

6-02 10 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR06-02-06.htm


Ed Pursell is listed in the results 3 nights. Winters drove his car once.

So Pursell actually brought his car to the track 4 times, and raced it on 3 occasions (as midget racer pointed out) between opening day and June 2. He just missed the single night when Winters drove the car.

Midget Racer also commented that car counts of 10 and 14 were “poor. very poor.” I happen to agree, and it would seem that the facts that this was the kind of turnout CARS had on a regular basis at PIR from opening day up to June 2.

Based on the numbers from opening day to June 2, I make it 10 cars on 3 nights, 14 cars on 2 nights, 15 cars on 2 nights, 17 cars on 1 night, and 19 on one night.

That equals car counts of:

10-14 (5 out of 9 nights)
15 or less (7 out of 9 nights)
17 or more (2 out of 9 nights)

Don’t take my word for it, just click on the links and see for yourselves.
 
sean2 said:
midget racer, actually Racer85 is correct about his above listed dates. He was there, you were not if I am not mistaken.

You seem to have just made up what you wanted people to hear, that is kind of like some other people I know. All I can say is Keep Watching!
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I guess Racer85 crashes so much, all those hard knocks must be affecting his memory.

As far as your other comment, I think you should really think about that one long and hard. Maybe while facing a mirror.

Well, anyone who knows me knows I like to research stuff.

3-24 10 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 3rd)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR03-24-06.htm

3-31 17 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 4th) http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/3-31 results pir.htm

4-07 14 CARS (total CARS in heats, Racer85 Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-07-06.htm

4-14 15 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-14-06.htm

4-21 Rained out

4-28 15 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 11th)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-28-06.htm

5-04 Rained out

5-12 19 CARS (Ed Pursell not listed, but car #85 driven by Chris Winters)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-12-2006.htm

5-19 10 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-19-06.htm

5-26 14 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-26-06.htm

6-02 10 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR06-02-06.htm


Ed Pursell is listed in the results 3 nights. Winters drove his car once.

So Pursell actually brought his car to the track 4 times, and raced it on 3 occasions between opening day and June 2 (as midget racer pointed out). He just missed the single night when Winters drove the car.

Midget Racer also commented that car counts of 10 and 14 were “poor. very poor.” I happen to agree, and it would seem that the facts that this was the kind of turnout CARS had on a regular basis at PIR from opening day up to June 2.

Based on the numbers from opening day to June 2, I make it 10 cars on 3 nights, 14 cars on 2 nights, 15 cars on 2 nights, 17 cars on 1 night, and 19 on one night.

That equals car counts of:

10-14 (5 out of 9 nights)
15 or less (7 out of 9 nights)
17 or more (2 out of 9 nights)

Don’t take my word for it, just click on the links and see for yourselves.
 
t.nie said:
As far as your other comment, I think you should really think about that one long and hard. Maybe while facing a mirror.
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Wow, I didn't realize I was in a debate with the Fastrak MidWest Director Todd Niemann, Sorry I didn't know I was talking to you! I guess my records of this years events don't mean anything. Apparently with your expertise there is no reason for myself or anyone else to comment on this subject, so I for one am done with it. Thanks & see you all on Friday nights at Tri-City Speedway.
 
t.nie said:
I guess Racer85 crashes so much, all those hard knocks must be affecting his memory.

As far as your other comment, I think you should really think about that one long and hard. Maybe while facing a mirror.

Well, anyone who knows me knows I like to research stuff.

3-24 10 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 3rd)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR03-24-06.htm

3-31 17 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 4th) http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/3-31 results pir.htm

4-07 14 CARS (total CARS in heats, Racer85 Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-07-06.htm

4-14 15 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-14-06.htm

4-21 Rained out

4-28 15 CARS (Racer85 Ed Pursell 11th)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR04-28-06.htm

5-04 Rained out

5-12 19 CARS (Ed Pursell not listed, but car #85 driven by Chris Winters)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-12-2006.htm

5-19 10 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-19-06.htm

5-26 14 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR05-26-06.htm

6-02 10 CARS (Ed Pursell nor car #85 listed)
http://www.paducahinternationalraceway.com/results/PIR06-02-06.htm


Ed Pursell is listed in the results 3 nights. Winters drove his car once.

So Pursell actually brought his car to the track 4 times, and raced it on 3 occasions between opening day and June 2 (as midget racer pointed out). He just missed the single night when Winters drove the car.

Midget Racer also commented that car counts of 10 and 14 were “poor. very poor.” I happen to agree, and it would seem that the facts that this was the kind of turnout CARS had on a regular basis at PIR from opening day up to June 2.

Based on the numbers from opening day to June 2, I make it 10 cars on 3 nights, 14 cars on 2 nights, 15 cars on 2 nights, 17 cars on 1 night, and 19 on one night.

That equals car counts of:

10-14 (5 out of 9 nights)
15 or less (7 out of 9 nights)
17 or more (2 out of 9 nights)

Don’t take my word for it, just click on the links and see for yourselves.
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Well, Well, Well if it isn't my good buddy T-nie. How you doin' Todd. For a man that likes to do so much research you missed a few things here. You might want to research the night of 4-14-06 and 4-07-06 a little closer. I am listed on 4-14-06 just with the wrong car number and I was also there 4-07-06 just not on the results they only posted the heats. And if I do my math right that is EXACTLY what I posted.

But a man with your great intellegence shouldn't miss such easy accessible information like that now should you.

But I can understand where your bitterness comes into play here. Atfer the complete and utter failure of the Fastrak Midwest with you in control , I can understand why you are bitter about crate racing. Especially after the guy you replaced has went on to be extremely more succesful than you ever were. ( Do we need to bring up the Big Dawg Flop this year).

I am not going to sit here and say that with you great intelligence level and computer savvy that you could'nt go through months and months of old threads and results and find something wrong with me because I am not perfect by no means. But to be honest with you it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside that you spent so much time on a Sunday afternoon to research me. I almost feel like I should thank you.

But with that in mind I really hope you get a chance to come out this next year and get to take in some GREAT CARS series racing action at your local short tracks.

Oh and by the way since my memory has been lost in all those crashes if I forgot to tell you HAVE A GREAT DAY TODD!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely your buddy ED
 
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