Crate Late Models
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t.nie said:Yes, the regulars "flew," until one night when a big boy showed up with a steel block LM, best of everything on it, talented and experienced man behind the wheel, and of course, he just lapped the whole damn field after starting dead last.
Yeah. I remember that night extremely well. It musta all just been that incredible motor he had in that car. But if I remember rightly, in the post race interview, Mark said he was just there "testing" out a new suspension setup on the car for Kruckenberg. In fact, I remember looking over at that big old enclosed transporter, all those toys inside, and thinking man, that car has been up on jacks since the heat race, they are just wrenching away on that thing, must be changing the motor, the amount of work they are doing on it. Go figure.
Todd, you keep compairing apples to oranges!! There is a difference in a steel block class & a Crate class!!! A steel block late model is the EXACT SAME THING as a UMP late model minus a couple grand for the block!! That's it, plain & simple!! A crate class is a class designed to keep cost from going thru the roof & keeping the playing field as level as possible! If you dont understand that im sorry . There is no other way of expaining it. Sure there will always be someone who has the best of everything but this class would limit how much they could out dollar everyone else.
I think you are debating this just because it's the off season & you are bored.
t.nie
Patience Tester
I understand that Sean. But the original comment that drug me out from under my rock where I was peacefully hibernating until next season( ) was the stuff about fielding a "competitive" car for a lot less than what a competitive UMP LM goes for.
I believe what was being sold was the concept of a "competitive LM" for the series with a total investment of under ten grand.
That aint true. Stick whatever lump under the hood you want, I still believe it will still cost in excess, way in excess, of that amount to win races or run top three regularly.
Heres how I see it: instead of selling this pie in the sky, fairy tale idea that
"you too can race a LM and WIN RACES for less than ten thousand dollars! Come one, Come all to the cheapest Show On Dirt! Just step right up and buy this here motor for TWENTY NINE NINETY FIVE!! Thats right, you heard it here folks, just TWENTY NINE NINETY FIVE and tomorrow your can be kissin the girl and grabbing the trophy! (or the other way around...) Dont let the magic carpet leave without you and your second hand chassis on it, cause this is the opportunity of the century! An equal motor! Equal tires! Everything your poor racer heart desires!
We all know its only the outrageous motor cost that is keeping you out of the LM winners circle! Heres your chance to show the world that you are the real champion driver, not those big money boys who only win with their wallets!!!!"
maybe an approach like this would be a little more realistic.
"Racing a Late Model? Tired of spending thousands every year on new chassis, suspension, tires, fuel, equipment to try and keep up with the Melvins (ok, had to throw that in there, although we all know Rodney doesnt have the biggest budget in the country... lol) only to have to spend the same amount again for that new motor every year? Want to cut costs, but still stay in a Late Model? Want to save a ton of money, but still race for what the average UMP purse pays on a Saturday night? Tired of the tire bill, too?
Then here's the deal for you. Instead of spending $30,000 on a new motor every year, join the crate model series. Our motors only cost $3000. With that $27,000 savings, just think of what you could do. That could be your entire travel, fuel, tires and food budget for an entire season, money you currently spend anyway maintaining and racing your UMP LM. Or, you could invest that money in spare chassis, suspension, or any number of extra go faster goodies that will give you more of the edge you want where it counts: On the track, not on the dyno.
Think about a season or two of saving that kind of money on motor, and what you could then afford that is out of your reach right now. Like a new shop. Or a new transporter. All of the things you would buy with your racing budget, if you weren't sinking it into a motor. Call us today. Put your resources to work for you, to get you into the winners circle, instead of into your motor builders bank account. Make that call. You won't be sorry you did."
Now, if it were me, I would not be so concerned with trying to convince poor boys they could win races cheap getting into my class. When they don't win, (and they won't) they are only going to feel cheated and decieved. Instead, sell the idea of a cheaper alternative to the reasonably funded UMP guys who might just be interested in keeping the big cash difference in motors in their own bank account, and might be willing to sacrifice the big money purses in UMP too, cause they never win the big prizes at those big shows anyway.
I'm not bored Sean. I just think there are more realistic ways to sell this to the guys around here, that does not leave them wide open for disappointment.
) was the stuff about fielding a "competitive" car for a lot less than what a competitive UMP LM goes for. I believe what was being sold was the concept of a "competitive LM" for the series with a total investment of under ten grand.
That aint true. Stick whatever lump under the hood you want, I still believe it will still cost in excess, way in excess, of that amount to win races or run top three regularly.
Heres how I see it: instead of selling this pie in the sky, fairy tale idea that
"you too can race a LM and WIN RACES for less than ten thousand dollars! Come one, Come all to the cheapest Show On Dirt! Just step right up and buy this here motor for TWENTY NINE NINETY FIVE!! Thats right, you heard it here folks, just TWENTY NINE NINETY FIVE and tomorrow your can be kissin the girl and grabbing the trophy! (or the other way around...) Dont let the magic carpet leave without you and your second hand chassis on it, cause this is the opportunity of the century! An equal motor! Equal tires! Everything your poor racer heart desires!
We all know its only the outrageous motor cost that is keeping you out of the LM winners circle! Heres your chance to show the world that you are the real champion driver, not those big money boys who only win with their wallets!!!!"
maybe an approach like this would be a little more realistic.
"Racing a Late Model? Tired of spending thousands every year on new chassis, suspension, tires, fuel, equipment to try and keep up with the Melvins (ok, had to throw that in there, although we all know Rodney doesnt have the biggest budget in the country... lol) only to have to spend the same amount again for that new motor every year? Want to cut costs, but still stay in a Late Model? Want to save a ton of money, but still race for what the average UMP purse pays on a Saturday night? Tired of the tire bill, too?
Then here's the deal for you. Instead of spending $30,000 on a new motor every year, join the crate model series. Our motors only cost $3000. With that $27,000 savings, just think of what you could do. That could be your entire travel, fuel, tires and food budget for an entire season, money you currently spend anyway maintaining and racing your UMP LM. Or, you could invest that money in spare chassis, suspension, or any number of extra go faster goodies that will give you more of the edge you want where it counts: On the track, not on the dyno.
Think about a season or two of saving that kind of money on motor, and what you could then afford that is out of your reach right now. Like a new shop. Or a new transporter. All of the things you would buy with your racing budget, if you weren't sinking it into a motor. Call us today. Put your resources to work for you, to get you into the winners circle, instead of into your motor builders bank account. Make that call. You won't be sorry you did."
Now, if it were me, I would not be so concerned with trying to convince poor boys they could win races cheap getting into my class. When they don't win, (and they won't) they are only going to feel cheated and decieved. Instead, sell the idea of a cheaper alternative to the reasonably funded UMP guys who might just be interested in keeping the big cash difference in motors in their own bank account, and might be willing to sacrifice the big money purses in UMP too, cause they never win the big prizes at those big shows anyway.
I'm not bored Sean. I just think there are more realistic ways to sell this to the guys around here, that does not leave them wide open for disappointment.
t.nie
Patience Tester
I wasn't accusing you of trying to trick anyone into anything Sean, I am genuinely sorry if thats how you took that.sean2 said:I was'nt trying to "trick" anyone into anything. Any class you have you are going to have winners & losers, from Hornets to UMP LM's. Some guys can take lesser equipment to the front & some guys cant! I guess I was looking at a glass half full not half empty!!
Maybe we should sell our late model stuff and buy the best of the best bomber stuff and run against the bomber guys that are not willing or are unable to spend $ 40,000.00 a year to win. It is a lot easier to buy cheater parts for a class that techs like the bombers than it is for a late model. One class of racing will be a lot better in the long run. The guys who can outspend each other must be the best drivers.
kevin@cecc.net
New Member
This was posted by race20 earlier.
{Yes you an build a very competitive Late model car with a crate engine for $10,000. Lots of peolple have done it. Our 2004 Points Champion won with a 99 GRT with the smaller engine (602).}quote
So why do we keep coming back to the same thing that you cant win with a 10,000 dollar car when in fact It has been done?
{Yes you an build a very competitive Late model car with a crate engine for $10,000. Lots of peolple have done it. Our 2004 Points Champion won with a 99 GRT with the smaller engine (602).}quote
So why do we keep coming back to the same thing that you cant win with a 10,000 dollar car when in fact It has been done?
kevin@cecc.net
New Member
another of racer20 quotes
quote{Next: Membership fees. Yep we got um. 41 drivers have proudly paid them for the 2005 season. Oh by the way, they go back into the Points fund anyway. Its just a committment. A way to base a car count to tracks from week to week.
Next: Car count. Started with five, haven't ever hid that from anyone. As a matter of fact that is probably the one thing I remember the most. I guess the most important car count was what we built up to which was 51. }
quote{Next: Membership fees. Yep we got um. 41 drivers have proudly paid them for the 2005 season. Oh by the way, they go back into the Points fund anyway. Its just a committment. A way to base a car count to tracks from week to week.
Next: Car count. Started with five, haven't ever hid that from anyone. As a matter of fact that is probably the one thing I remember the most. I guess the most important car count was what we built up to which was 51. }
kevin@cecc.net said:
This is a fact! Why would a series car count go from 5 cars at the first race to 51 cars at the last race if this was all smoke & mirrors??? 51 teams did not jump on the band wagon for nothing. 41 teams have paid membership already for 2005 in the Southern Region alone, this is up from 7 or so members in 2004. This obviously is working.
dirt hound
Registered User
Tnie You Mentiioned Melvin On A Small Budget But 's Suppose To A Umlimited Money Program ,so How Inthe Heck Did Rodney When All Those Features And Championship ,ain't That Right Sean2
kevin@cecc.net
New Member
Any more........
dirt hound
Registered User
hey I'm being nice to the melvin clan just was proving a point
dirt hound
Registered User
my question would be to the crate motor guys what would happen if you tore the frame up big time due to part failure or crash, late models aren't cheap
