Fastrak Crate Late Models Practice Results

He means FastTrack guys would be good for Fulton, they Can run them there today as the rules are now. The Potters are able to run their latemodel at MCS. They build there own motors, FastTrack wouldnt let them even do that. I cant Run Fulton and it looks like I wont be able to run either track after this year.

The only way MCS is not going to change is if we can get the car count regularly over 18 cars or so. Half way threw the season 13-16 cars were the norm last year. But there was that streak early last season that were of 8 or less, that really made the track look bad. I know a few more cars are coming this year, I just hope we dont lose any of last years regulars.

Hell I hope the FastTrack guys come out ad really fly around the Place and some of them stay and run with the Supers. Just to Prove Motors are only about 25 percent of this deal.
I hate to admit It but about the best part of a 30k motor is you can intimidate someone by just talking to another driver, Most of it is psycological anyway. I've been there and done that with limiteds and as soon as I looked at the other guy wit the big rig and aluminum motor and I Said what the hell, I'll just have to out drive him. I did!!!ever since I have played the same game as he did to me. Now I have a 30k motor and I'm building a Rig. And all these other drivers fall for it. "WA WA WA I cant compete because his motors too big and expensive. Hey lets bring in Crate engines,even everybody up I can win if we do that" Well sorry to dissapoint everybody. If you are able to keep the same guys around that run supers they are still gonna be the ones winning and the Losers are all gonna whine about it and come up with something else or just quit racing.
MY OPINION ON THIS MATTER COMES FROM EXPERIENCE I'm still relativly new to the area,but racing out West may be behind in some ways,but when it comes to this subject This sorta thing set back racing for years if not decades in some places.
 
These debates over Fastrak are fine and dandy, but the bottom line is that none of us knows how well these cars will do until they hit the ground at a UMP track and go head to head with the UMP regulars. That will happen, sooner or later, and we will see just how much money can buy. Or not, as the case may be.

In the meantime, it gives some guys a chance to race an LM that may not otherwise be able to, in a situation that is at least regulated well enough to keep the cost down and emphasize driver ability and experience.

It may not be for you. Like opera and ballet, no one is forcing you to join in the dance, buy a ticket, or even like it. But it will be here regardless.
 
another thing for you fastrack guys..these engines are sealed with break away bolts in which anyone can get their hands on..how long before they start putting better stuff in these motors and sealing them back up with break away bolts,then your back where you started..like dean said these $5000 dollar crates are nothing more than $1500 dollar motors and rv camshafts,about like the gm goodwrench 350hp crate motor..not to mention we build our own engines and ill be damned if im gonna buy a peice of junk when i could build a way better motor myself for the same price.
 
Interesting you should bring up the breakaway bolts, as that was an area I was also suspicious about until I spent some time getting the facts.

GM is well aware of the potential for cheating by replacing the bolts or inserting copies. GM is also committed to policing these motors, and is exploring new technologies that will allow them to do so. Stuff like chips in all of the internal components that can be read with a hand held scanner ran over the motor to verify each component against the block chip serial number will make it very difficult for these motors to be altered. Harmonic frequency range readings taken with scopes will have to match the factory readings for the motor. Motor weight must match the spec taken when that chip serial number left the plant. And last but not least, Fastrak reserves the right to pull any motor and issue a replacement at any event at any time, and that motor would be torn apart and inspected for any alterations.

Still think you can cheat in Fastrak by just playing around with a few bolts?
 
Dean said:
The issue I have with things you post is that the 603 & 604 both cost $5,000, to purchase, and $2,000 to freshen. If you add up the cost of parts and machine work with comparably low quality parts, what you have is a $1,500 engine and a RV camshaft.
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Dean, im not sure if that was a typo on your part or not, but the 603 is not allowed in the Fastrak Champions Series. Fastrak Champions Series engines are as follows:

The #602 sells for around $3000 give or take , it depends on which GM dealer you buy it from.

The #604 sells for around $4900. Again, give or take a few bucks.

We also offer a series "spec" engine for $5000.

If anyone has any questions feel free to call me anytime.

Fastrak Champions Series Midwest Region
Sean Franklin
Regional Director
Office #618-998-1775
Cell# 618-889-5515

Got Skill? www.fastrakracing.com
 
racer94 said:
another thing for you fastrack guys..these engines are sealed with break away bolts in which anyone can get their hands on..how long before they start putting better stuff in these motors and sealing them back up with break away bolts,then your back where you started..like dean said these $5000 dollar crates are nothing more than $1500 dollar motors and rv camshafts,about like the gm goodwrench 350hp crate motor..not to mention we build our own engines and ill be damned if im gonna buy a peice of junk when i could build a way better motor myself for the same price.
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The Fastrak Champions Series will tech the top three engines as well as one other engine that will be picked at random.

Oh by the way, General Motors Performance Parts Crate Engines are exactly what we use. It amazes me how much people will argue about something when they dont know all the facts.
 
we know the gm engine is used i was simply stating that the gm motors used by fastrack are no more different than the gm goodwrench 350hp engine you can buy for $2,259 all day long but yet here you guys are selling pretty much the same thing for $5000...screw buying a sealed motor from gm..why not come up with your own cheap RELIABLE motor combination and make everyone abide by that,something that everyone gets their money worth out of..their are parts of this series i really like but the motor area is what will keep me away from it...
 
Can I buys one of them engines for my Caddy... Some no good sob stole my engine out of my Caddy last week here in the ghetto and now I has to catch a ride with Miss Cleo whenever she gets out.. Maybe Buck Wheat or Bad Bob can give me a ride too. Anyways, where can I buys one of them motors?
 
Doesn't the IRL run a sealed engine program? I thought that was one of the draws to the group and I think they are doing a lot better than CART. I could be wrong
 
racer94 said:
screw buying a sealed motor from gm..why not come up with your own cheap RELIABLE motor combination and make everyone abide by that,something that everyone gets their money worth out of..their are parts of this series i really like but the motor area is what will keep me away from it...
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Funny you should say that. I had a long conversation with Kevin and Scott, and the original idea they had to combat the rising cost of racing was to get their buddies together, agree on a motor package they could all afford, and approach a local promotor about letting them run for trophies, no purse, just because they wanted to race on equal terms without breaking the bank. Sounds like a great idea, but what made them decide against that was the scenario of "what happens when a motor breaks?" and of course, it is all too easy to see that instead of putting the motor back together stock, it would be very tempting to spend a little extra to make the thing stronger when it went back together. The next thing you know, the whole thing falls apart, because everyone is trying to outdo each other, and you are back to square one in a matter of years, if not months.

So, still wanting to work this idea, they looked to Fastrak, and with all of the knowledge and experience of Stan Lester and everyone involved down south to help smooth the intitial stages out, figured that this was the best way to move that project forward.

This is a reliable, affordable motor, and it comes with an entire company behind it to make tech reasonable and practical, more development than any local organization running one track could provide, and people committed to making this idea work and work well for the local racers who want to participate.

If you want to race UMP, race UMP. If you want to race with a controlled engine cost and all of the limitations that brings, then Fastrak is a very good opportunity for you, and you don't have to invent your own series to do it.
 
i know exactly what you are saying tnie and like i say i like alot of things about the series,mainly the "RULES" they have to keep the racing very close.i like the idea of everyone having the same engine so there are no excuses like you got outmotored ect,ect.i also like the payout scale.seems everyone would be on a level playing feild and intern maybe get some great side by side racing..

now the things i dont like are the tire choices and as you have seen the engine..that engine is not worth $5000,i will argue it all day long,they sale the same thing to consumers for $2,295 ,minus the circle track pan and valve covers..no series is perfect,ill set back and watch the fastrack this season and well see everones outlook on it next season..
 
heres my 2 cents. what is a late models rep? it is a car with all the best of stuff. ok so lets leave it what they were made to be like.lets leave the rules open,and run ssupers,crate,and limiteds together. lets not take a good place for the supers to run away.if you are paying $5000 for a motor, well we can build a $5000 motor that is a $8000-$10000 motor at a builder, so why buy a gm motor? the fasttrack deal is a ok thing to do but go to a track that does not have supers and run. why dont you guys call sonny a callaway raceways and set up a show there, and run there dont run the big boys out of one of the few places they have to run. that is just my two cents

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racer94 said:
we know the gm engine is used i was simply stating that the gm motors used by fastrack are no more different than the gm goodwrench 350hp engine you can buy for $2,259 all day long but yet here you guys are selling pretty much the same thing for $5000...screw buying a sealed motor from gm..why not come up with your own cheap RELIABLE motor combination and make everyone abide by that,something that everyone gets their money worth out of..their are parts of this series i really like but the motor area is what will keep me away from it...
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Now lets see. You are saying there are aluminum head 604 $5000 engines out there you can buy for $2259 all day long. I'll honest to goodness take 200 of them ASAP. Show me where and I will meet you there and bring you a "finders fee". This is no joke. I am in. I'll pay you $100 an engine. THats $20 grand for a buyers fee. Will that work?

I think you will probably find out its two different pieces. The funny thing is we don't make a penny on engines. Not one red cent. Never have.

No one said our Series is perfect. We do everything we say and we give everything we offer and more. When is the last time that alone happened?
 
read closer i said your gm 604 and the other two engines you sale are not much different then the gm goodwrench 350/350hp engine that gm sales for $2,295 ..only difference being a little in the heads (still not $2700 worth of difference)..this is a stk crank and rod motor with hyper pistons and a small lift camshaft..like dean said the only reason it is reliable is because it isnt being turned much over 5500 rpm..with the parts in this motor if you turned it high rpm it would be catastrophic.this is racing,home of high reving,fire breathing beast.for $5000 you could build a stouter bottom end,and a better head package and have a great motor not to mention you get your moneys worth instead of making general motors rich off a peice of junk..atleast get a descent motor in these things.another thing i dont like is these are assembly line motors meaning they are not accurate on clearences ect,ect..these are jeneric motorsa plain and simple..i said it many times and ill say it again,i like alot about this series but these engines are a joke!!
 
racer94 said:
read closer i said your gm 604 and the other two engines you sale are not much different then the gm goodwrench 350/350hp engine that gm sales for $2,295 ..only difference being a little in the heads (still not $2700 worth of difference)..this is a stk crank and rod motor with hyper pistons and a small lift camshaft..like dean said the only reason it is reliable is because it isnt being turned much over 5500 rpm..with the parts in this motor if you turned it high rpm it would be catastrophic.this is racing,home of high reving,fire breathing beast.for $5000 you could build a stouter bottom end,and a better head package and have a great motor not to mention you get your moneys worth instead of making general motors rich off a peice of junk..atleast get a descent motor in these things.another thing i dont like is these are assembly line motors meaning they are not accurate on clearences ect,ect..these are jeneric motorsa plain and simple..i said it many times and ill say it again,i like alot about this series but these engines are a joke!!
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OK. Actually that engine sells for $2945.00 retail not $5000. The $5000 engine is steel crank, aluminum fast burn d port heads, high rise intake, circle track oil pan, circle track breathers, sealed bolts.

602 350/350 we consintently turn 6200-6500 all season
604 400/400 we consistenly turn 6700-7100 all season.

Like I said we just aren't comparing apples to apples here. Different engines all together. I am not arguing with you. There is nothing to argue about. They are running everyday and running well. The proof is already in the pudding. This is not something new, just new to the area. Guys in the NE have been doing this for five years.

As far as us replacing Supers we have said time and time again we are not here to do that. Never were, never want too. I like the Supers and look forward to some of our guys moving up. I for one wil be there to watch them.
 
racer94 said:
we know the gm engine is used i was simply stating that the gm motors used by fastrack are no more different than the gm goodwrench 350hp engine you can buy for $2,259 all day long but yet here you guys are selling pretty much the same thing for $5000...screw buying a sealed motor from gm..why not come up with your own cheap RELIABLE motor combination and make everyone abide by that,something that everyone gets their money worth out of..their are parts of this series i really like but the motor area is what will keep me away from it...
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gm motors used by fastrack are no more different than the gm goodwrench 350hp engine you can buy for $2,259 all day long but yet here you guys are selling pretty much the same thing for $5000...screw buying a sealed motor from gm..

The Gm 602 355hp engine is $2945.00 not $5000.00 dollars.

why not come up with your own cheap RELIABLE motor combination and make everyone abide by that,something that everyone gets their money worth out of
The problem with that is how do you tech it?
If you really want to find out more call Sean Franklin at 618-993-1122 and we will be happy to answer any questions.
 
racer20 said:
As far as us replacing Supers we have said time and time again we are not here to do that. Never were, never want too. I like the Supers and look forward to some of our guys moving up. I for one wil be there to watch them.
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I realize your intentions totally, I started in a limited in '95. But I know promotors are already talking about replacing Supers. Sorry I just dont ageree limiting the upper classes around. Thats what entry level and mid level classes are all about.
 
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