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Yes Mav it does,,you need to go to the Scooby POO Brand Paper !!!! 
Gas prices are going to be the death of racing
- Thread starter Millsey
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Doug
Announcer
First of all, I can't believe I read all 11 pages at this late hour.
Second, Cowracer offered a genuine alternative somewhere back there in the middle of this whole mess that apparently got overlooked. In the spirit of thinking "outside of the box", I'll offer the link again:
http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
Thirdly, it was recently revealed that TransCanada (one of Canada's two largest pipeline companies) is proposing to convert a gas line on its Canadian mainline to an oil line carrying 400,000 bbls per day of heavy crude between Hardisty, Alberta and either Wood River or Petoka, Illinois. Will that effect gas prices whatsoever? I don't have a clue, but thought it was worth mentioning.
And lastly, it doesn't matter if you're sympathetic to the Democratic or Republican side, there's enough responsibility between them to be shared. If we continue to support the 2 party system, we will continue to see the same results. At the next election, please research "alternative" party candidates, be it Libretarian, Constitution, Green, or other. A revolution isn't based on settling for the lesser of the two evils.
Second, Cowracer offered a genuine alternative somewhere back there in the middle of this whole mess that apparently got overlooked. In the spirit of thinking "outside of the box", I'll offer the link again:
http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
Thirdly, it was recently revealed that TransCanada (one of Canada's two largest pipeline companies) is proposing to convert a gas line on its Canadian mainline to an oil line carrying 400,000 bbls per day of heavy crude between Hardisty, Alberta and either Wood River or Petoka, Illinois. Will that effect gas prices whatsoever? I don't have a clue, but thought it was worth mentioning.
And lastly, it doesn't matter if you're sympathetic to the Democratic or Republican side, there's enough responsibility between them to be shared. If we continue to support the 2 party system, we will continue to see the same results. At the next election, please research "alternative" party candidates, be it Libretarian, Constitution, Green, or other. A revolution isn't based on settling for the lesser of the two evils.
Brandon Paul
Free agent score guy
Doug said:
Even if some third party Congressional candidates were electionable, and got into office, what sub-commitee do you really think they'd be allowed to sit on by the majority party? They'd be completely powerless to do anything on any issue, much less the price of gas.
JGRacing said:
Two GOOD posts on this topic JG!!! I too, am always amazed what people think the president can be blamed for!
People also need to remember that the problem with gas prices is not just an American problem… It’s a GLOBAL problem. Think about it, petroleum products are an international commodity. Folks all over the world are getting hit with much higher prices…
t.nie
Patience Tester
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ve.html#Econ
Go there, and take a look at the economic situation in Venezuela. I believe the most interesting reading there is GDP per capita (adjusted to American dollars to reflect purchasing power parity) at $5,800 per year. And then there is the 17.1% unemployment rate, coupled with the 22% inflation rate on consumer goods, as well as the incredible 47% of the nation's population living below the poverty line.
Hell, with that kind of economic situation to live in, even 12 cents a gallon is completely unaffordable. But who cares, when you don't own a car anyway?
But you're right again, Jeff, those Venezuelans really know how to keep gas prices down. Just have a poverty level economy with half the nation living in squalor.
I bet those people are really pissed they can't go dirt track racing.
Go there, and take a look at the economic situation in Venezuela. I believe the most interesting reading there is GDP per capita (adjusted to American dollars to reflect purchasing power parity) at $5,800 per year. And then there is the 17.1% unemployment rate, coupled with the 22% inflation rate on consumer goods, as well as the incredible 47% of the nation's population living below the poverty line.
Hell, with that kind of economic situation to live in, even 12 cents a gallon is completely unaffordable. But who cares, when you don't own a car anyway?
But you're right again, Jeff, those Venezuelans really know how to keep gas prices down. Just have a poverty level economy with half the nation living in squalor.
I bet those people are really pissed they can't go dirt track racing.
HMRT MotorSports
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Atleast T.nie has someone that loves and cares about him,,,Millsey,ive never talked to you or about you,but your AS$holelogic has got to be the worst ive seen on here in a wile. Why bring someones MOM into the picture,,what a LOW LIFE,Seem like you have Momma problems!!!guess you dont have that TiT to hang on anymore!!!!heheheMillsey said:
I didn't bother to read all of these posts, so if I touch a base someone else already did, I apologise. First of all if anybody hasn't noticed, China is going through a major industrial revolution, along with that comes a major need for fossil fuels. The whole supply and demand thing comes into play. They need fuel ever so badly and are willing to pay what ever it costs to continue to grow. That is a major reason for the price of crude going up. If they are willing to pay it so will everybody else. You simply won't have a choice. The Chinese are also to blame for the price of steel being so high. They are buying it up at no matter the price! There are other variables that are driving up the costs of doing business but the Chinese are at the root of the problem. They are going through an economic boon and we are all going to suffer for it. If a guy was smart and had some money to tie up for a while he would be well advised to invest it in China. If you want to get real pissed off about something, get mad at the fact the USA is the largest producer of the kind of coal one can use to make gasoline and we have known how to do it since the end of World War II. We got the technology from the Germans I believe, but your kick-*** oil companies in all of their infinite wisdom(better known as greed)squashed that idea from ever being an issue. I wonder why nobody brings it up in this day and age? Could it be the oil companies again or still?
Be my last post on this issue
I agree with you pwracing, why is it that everytime a new source of energy that is developed to replace or to help take some of the burden off of the dependency of fossil fuels, it dissappears? Like I said in an earlier post, the corn/ethyl fuel developement, what happened to it? The goverment busted Bill Gates for monopolizing the Windows programs and other computer based items that he had total control of, so why isnt the government doing the same for the oil industries? If my history classes served me right, wasnt creating monopolies in businesses illegal? Also like i said in my earlier post, this is just not a race issue, it concerns everyone that is a working man or woman, business owner or employee of a business. I belive the term is coined from Reagon and his "trickle down effect". I do believe that this is a problem that has been in the making for several years. And now that the problem is here, everyone is wanting an immediate solution, and I am guilty of it as much as anyone, but we as a whole need to figure out what we can do and bring it under control. I have heard from several truck drivers that a shut down may be occuring in the near future, granted that is just from a few, but it would take everyone to make a stand before it would be effective. Sorry for going off the subject but back to the original topic, yes the local racers and the local tracks will feel some of this effect but if you think about it, how many drivers pass a track to go to a more perfered track? I for one am guilty of it. This might make some drivers that are more of a tight budget race team stay more in their immediate area, and the fans will probably do the same. As far as it causing tracks to close down, there may have been underlying issues before the whole gas situation occured. But as in everything else in life, only time will tell. Another issue with the gas prices for racers (or it is with me), with it being towards the end of the season, the budgets of some people are extremely stretched by now due to mechanical problems, tires, on track accidents, and other racing issues. Hopefully with the coming of the next racing season, more money can be budgeted into weekly expenses for racing. Again, sorry for such a long post, just my opinion.
Butch Hartman
I agree with you pwracing, why is it that everytime a new source of energy that is developed to replace or to help take some of the burden off of the dependency of fossil fuels, it dissappears? Like I said in an earlier post, the corn/ethyl fuel developement, what happened to it? The goverment busted Bill Gates for monopolizing the Windows programs and other computer based items that he had total control of, so why isnt the government doing the same for the oil industries? If my history classes served me right, wasnt creating monopolies in businesses illegal? Also like i said in my earlier post, this is just not a race issue, it concerns everyone that is a working man or woman, business owner or employee of a business. I belive the term is coined from Reagon and his "trickle down effect". I do believe that this is a problem that has been in the making for several years. And now that the problem is here, everyone is wanting an immediate solution, and I am guilty of it as much as anyone, but we as a whole need to figure out what we can do and bring it under control. I have heard from several truck drivers that a shut down may be occuring in the near future, granted that is just from a few, but it would take everyone to make a stand before it would be effective. Sorry for going off the subject but back to the original topic, yes the local racers and the local tracks will feel some of this effect but if you think about it, how many drivers pass a track to go to a more perfered track? I for one am guilty of it. This might make some drivers that are more of a tight budget race team stay more in their immediate area, and the fans will probably do the same. As far as it causing tracks to close down, there may have been underlying issues before the whole gas situation occured. But as in everything else in life, only time will tell. Another issue with the gas prices for racers (or it is with me), with it being towards the end of the season, the budgets of some people are extremely stretched by now due to mechanical problems, tires, on track accidents, and other racing issues. Hopefully with the coming of the next racing season, more money can be budgeted into weekly expenses for racing. Again, sorry for such a long post, just my opinion.
Butch Hartman
Millsey
New Member
That's exactly what I mean.... How in the world could it be less expensive there...cngracin said:WHERE?
Are you making a reference to gas prices in one of THE FORMER SOVIET BLOCK countries that is still using a socialist market system?
Millsey said:
Well it COULD be less expensive there ‘cause the governing body says so! (It’s not necessarily less expensive over there. Just like T.Nie did earlier for Venezuela the raw number has to be adjusted before compared.) “How that is possible?” Is as simple as this… all goods, services, products and raw materials are bought and sold at the price determined by the powers that be, rather than the rules of supply and demand. Socialism (also referred to as Marxism) is the basic economic structure of communism. The government proclaims, “This widget should be valued to the masses at 1 ruble!” … And it don’t matter none that it costs 2 rubles to produce, it sells for 1.
dirtracefan73
Member
It looks like it has allready affected Spoon River Speedway, they have cancelled the winged sprint car show, that was scheduled for Sun night 8/21, due to low car counts, and not many fans in the stands, at their last few shows. I was at the NALMS late model show up there, on 8/11, and the stands were nowhere near full.
racefantoo
New Member
T.nie, it seems to me as I read your posts that you talk alot about acting responsiably and and tend to say to hell with people less fortunate.
And about how $89,000 is really not much money and if you can't afford it, tough.
All this talk from a guy that appearently isn't responsiable enough to pay his own way.
I can see now why you feel so comfortable with bush, he's never paid his own way either. when you are finished with your steak, would you throw the rest of us the
bone.
And about how $89,000 is really not much money and if you can't afford it, tough.
All this talk from a guy that appearently isn't responsiable enough to pay his own way.
I can see now why you feel so comfortable with bush, he's never paid his own way either. when you are finished with your steak, would you throw the rest of us the
bone.
