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[Swappin Paint]

You are calling the difference between an entry fee and to start money a profit?! What in the hell is the matter with you, how about tow money and pit passes, wear on equipment, you people will put out any statement that you think will be positive propaganda for your scheeme. You do not care about the cost of racing, you people are simply trying to make money off of racers and fans. What you are calling profit is your actuall to start money in plain english; $35.00 to start the feature. Call it what it its, If you have enough cars for a semi, and someone has a bad night, what do they get, $100 entry fee, and nothing(-$100,00+what it cost to race a night). At least most series that have a entry fee pay more than the entry fee to start the semi. At first I thought you people were for the racer, and the more stuff you say the more I see through you, the bill of goods you are trying to sell people is a ripoff. For the racer the savings in initial engine expense will be eaten in new flywheels, lighter rotating parts, entry fees, lower payouts, and travel expense, while you will be making a fat profit from entry fees, membership and kick backs from goodyear.

Einstein, tell us what series or local track for that matter isn't in it to make a profit of the racers and fans?

 

[Millsey]

EXACTLY! If they don't make money they don't exist and nobody has a place to race. Some people lose track of that idea. You don't make money owning or racing a car. That's just a fact. All you can hope for is the best possible situation and it sure appears that Fastrak and some others are at least trying to come up with various ways to help off-set those costs.

 

[t.nie]

Todd,

SMART ARSE!

Try selling a competitive UPM late model engine to anyone OTHER than a racer. I don’t think you’ll find any other useful applications.

Here is my resale list for a competitive second hand UMP LM motor:

1) Backup motor for the riding lawnmower.
2) Put it in the tractor, get the plowing, discing, and sowing done in less than half the time.
3) Use it to drive the home electrical generator, and tell Ameren UE or whoever to kiss your arse.
4) Hook it up to the grain elevator auger, get the grain dried and loaded into the elevator in 1/3 the time it takes now.
5) Put it in your tow vehicle, and be the first to be chased on CNN across two states, towing the race car, at over 160 mph. (you do this one just for fun, really).
6) Sell it to A/B as a replacement for the team of Clydesdales. I bet that Bud Buggy with an open UMP motor in it would get a lot more attention than some frilly horses, any day. Or just leave the team of horses out front, and for entertainment value during parades, fire the motor up and see how them horses run! (It could end up being the first Bud Buggy to be chased across two states at 160 mph, come to think of it.)
7) I hear Santa is looking to upgrade his deer. An open UMP motor would do the job of fifty reindeer, and get Santa off early every year. The old boy is getting tired, he needs some help.
8) Sell it to someone building an S-10. (I borrowed this one. Come on, it would fit.)
9) Sell it some 16 year old kid with more money than brains, and see him on FOX news a week later, being chased across 2 states at 160 mph.
10) Sell it to Tony Stewart over at Eldora for his track truck. Now, Tony would like it, and the cost of running it wouldn't matter. Imagine seeing some guy out there watering the track sideways in the corners. You would draw a crowd just for track prep during the day. If that aint a money maker, I dont know what is.

 

[Dean]

One thing, there is enough market to sell used latemodel engines to other racers, as long as open motor racing stays around, there will always be that market. People trying to destroy open engine racing, if successful would cause alot of us to have to go on the road or be stuck with expensive engines; most local racers have similar cars to those that race on the road, but do not have the tire enventory, confidence, work schedual, or time to go on the road.

Local tracks and for profit companies are supposed to make a profit, and they are supposed to make it from selling a quality show and good consessions. Sadly not all tracks make a profit all the time, and some that do don't make the profit that they need to to justify the capital that is tied up. Sactioning bodies that have only one track may or may not be for profit, and there are many regional examples them, AARA, Rams, the dwarf car organization, MARA, and several others exist as organizations owned by the membership, wich is racers and racing people. I could really care less if a sanctioning body is a company trying to make a honest buck, or a organization of racing people trying to have a few good classes to race and collectively bargain with promoters, to get dates, make rules, and or have their own officials.

My issue is with saying $100.00 to start when doing the math it is $35.00. Let the Fasttrack people make a profit for envesting their $10,000 they paid to get a regional franchise, but let them make it by providing racers with a ecconomical class and a fair payout. Put to gether a god show to sell to race tracks get more than you must pay the officials and racers, there is your profit.

Why do some of you have the misguided idea that racing is supposed to be extremely expensive in the upper classes, and that racers can not ever hope to use their track checks to help keep their race car going all summer? Joining most organizations, or purchasing license from others usually will cost from $25 up to $100, and that is all that you pay the association or company that sanctions your races all year. Most places that have entry fees for latemodels pay the amount of the entry fee or more to start the semi, not the feature.