OT: Bush is an embarrassment - what a piece of crap
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t.nie
Patience Tester
Sorry Joey, my sources are impeccable by any standard. Here is the quote from the front page of that website you quoted.
"You've come to the right place for dirt, attitude and
opinionated character reviews of all the Presidential Candidates."
Now compare that to the Washington Post or National Review. No comparison. And cut the crap about what I have put up being personal opinion pieces, holy cow, dont you know the difference yet? "The moon orbits the earth" is not "personal opinion," it is well documented fact. Bush never being AWOL from the Guard, or arrested for cocaine possession in 1972 or any other time are not personal opinions, but documented facts.
Of course, there are still people who think we staged the moon landing in a TV studio, too. Whatever.
Oh yeah, your original document? Bush addressed the issue of being taken off flying status. Kind of hard to fly, when there are no planes to fly. Read the stories, do your own investigation into everything I have put up before you comment. All of these things are answered there.
"You've come to the right place for dirt, attitude and
opinionated character reviews of all the Presidential Candidates."
Now compare that to the Washington Post or National Review. No comparison. And cut the crap about what I have put up being personal opinion pieces, holy cow, dont you know the difference yet? "The moon orbits the earth" is not "personal opinion," it is well documented fact. Bush never being AWOL from the Guard, or arrested for cocaine possession in 1972 or any other time are not personal opinions, but documented facts.
Of course, there are still people who think we staged the moon landing in a TV studio, too. Whatever.
Oh yeah, your original document? Bush addressed the issue of being taken off flying status. Kind of hard to fly, when there are no planes to fly. Read the stories, do your own investigation into everything I have put up before you comment. All of these things are answered there.
racer94 said:
One problem is this is not for a drug test it is the annual physical. When on flight status and you do not complete the physical on time they take you off of flight status. For us non flyers they put us on a different status and we can not perform drill until it is complete. My dental was late two years ago and I was on that status. Has nothing to do with a drug test. We are tested randomly and you can not turn down a drug test.
Member of the 182 AW formerly the 182 TASGp in Peoria ILL
kingeddy
Mean Old Ignorant Bastard
Ok, Tnie. You win on the AWOL/Drug disagreement. Is that what you want to hear?
I'll give up on this issue even though I still don't think you've shown us any authenticated National Guard documents that can prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. But....
I still think there were/are enough questionable circumstances to lead any logical person to doubt his military history, and drug possession charge. And I don't think that he himself has ever denied the allegation. Maybe thats why he didn't sue the author of the book, because he would have to testify under oath.
AND NONE OF IT CHANGES THE FACT THAT HE S*CKS AS A PRESIDENT!
I'll give up on this issue even though I still don't think you've shown us any authenticated National Guard documents that can prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. But....
I still think there were/are enough questionable circumstances to lead any logical person to doubt his military history, and drug possession charge. And I don't think that he himself has ever denied the allegation. Maybe thats why he didn't sue the author of the book, because he would have to testify under oath.
AND NONE OF IT CHANGES THE FACT THAT HE S*CKS AS A PRESIDENT!
racer94
Active Member
wrong he didnt take the physical because he new he was a bass head and had dope in his system and did not want it to show up,no planes being there to fly just happened to help in his favor with his story of not taking the physical.anyone would take a physical weather they were required to or not,just to know they had a clean bill of health.if not then they most likely got something to hide,usually drugs in the system..i care less what the quote was from the front page of the website i found the info on,that is a plain as day copy from the military,not something somebody said or thinks they new,and most of all not someones opinion..everything the bush lovers are coming back with is no more credible info then what everyone else has posted,the simple fact is there would be alot of credible info on bush but most of it is covered up or destroyed,just like many things with the us government(area 51 for example)but nobody will admit to it.fact is we can set here all day,you think what you want and ill do the same..
OH no i can't believe i'm posting on this mess again. I truly hope none of you ever experience the level of damage that N O and the surrounding area have suffered, i know many of you have experienced some major flooding around the river area but still not to the level those people have but i digress.As far as the contracts being up for bids.How long would you give the other companies to write up there estimates a month 2 months how much longer do you expect these people to live in the astrodome? if (heaven forbid)your house ever burns down you sleep in your car while the................. no wait your car is under 5 feet of water so thats out,well just go to the holiday inn................. no wait its 3 miles west of where it was last time you were there and half as tall, so now what how about GET THE WATER OUT OF MY HOUSE so maybe someday soon i can go home. How many people on here have any idea how long it would take to give an estimate of real dollars? I don't claim to have all the answers but i know that halliburton has the resources the manpower the equipment and the knowledge to fix this mess as quickly and eficently as possible, besides i'm quite sure halliburton will subcontract a lot of the work so it won't all be going in halliburtons pocket.
Brandon Paul
Free agent score guy
PITDRIFTER said:AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A RACING BOARD!
IF BUSH, CLINTON, KERRY, OLD MAN BUSH, AND JIMMY CARTER WERE TO BE IN IDENTICAL LATE MODELS WHO WOULD WIN THE RACE?
What about Gerald Ford? As a former football lineman, he was probably the most athletic of the living ex-presidents. (George H.W.Bush played college baseball, but come on, it was at Yale) As for the ex-presidents listed, Clinton would race the hardest if there was a hot trophy girl. But if a promoter wanted a new concession stand built, Jimmy Carter might be your man. (I'm basing that on his involvement with Habitat for Humanity)
PEORIA#75FAN
New Member
That is some funny stuff
racer94 said:
I am going to try and explain this to you as best I can. Please since it obvious you do not have the knowledge on how the physicals work in the military leave your opinion to the side and listen to the facts or go to your local ANG base and ask them.
Now Aircrew members are required to have a physical on a yearly basis. If your last physical was in June then your next one has to be COMPLETED by June of the next year. If any part of that physical is not complete (dental, eye, hearing, blood work etc) then you are taken off of flying status. In the Guard since you can only have that physical done on drill weekend it happens from time to time that they are late and taken off of flight status. It really does happen. The clinic is only manned on drill weekends. This has nothing to do with a urinalysis test. You are reading things into this. If he had failed to show for a drug test there would of been different orders with punishment form the UCMJ. This is what happens when people read things and really don’t understand what they are reading. Not trying to sound like a jerk but it gets tiresome when people read stuff and make up what they think it says when they really don’t know what they are reading. They get a physical every year so I am sure they are not really that worried about their health.
kingeddy
Mean Old Ignorant Bastard
Hate to bring this thread back to life, but did I really hear what I think I just heard.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the president said that it will cost $280 Billion to rebuild the gulf coast and (if I may paraphrase) he's going to leave it in the hands of local government. If I'm correct, and I'm sure Tnie will correct me if I'm wrong (LOL)this means he is turning over our $280 billion of our tax dollars to the people who everyone says was to stupid to ask the fed. gov. for help.
BOY OH BOY
THATS REALLY DUMB
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the president said that it will cost $280 Billion to rebuild the gulf coast and (if I may paraphrase) he's going to leave it in the hands of local government. If I'm correct, and I'm sure Tnie will correct me if I'm wrong (LOL)this means he is turning over our $280 billion of our tax dollars to the people who everyone says was to stupid to ask the fed. gov. for help.
BOY OH BOY
THATS REALLY DUMB
racer94
Active Member
did you also hear him say he takes full responsibility of what happened for the part he put off??basically apologizing for taken so long to get help and everything there,everything everyone was complaining about he took responsibility for.so the bush bashers were on the right side of the fence then ey...i applaud him for his speach,or atleast the part i heard!(im still not a fan)lol
Leftrounder
New Member
To all:Rather lenghty but worth it.AFTER THE STORM From the Wall Street Journal
Blame Amid the Tragedy
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.
BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?
As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.
Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.
The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.
The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.
In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.
A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.
The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.
Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.
The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.
The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.
Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.
The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.
In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.
State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."
I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.
The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck.
Mr. Williams is president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a free market public policy research organization in Olympia, Wash.
Blame Amid the Tragedy
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.
BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?
As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.
Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.
The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.
The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.
In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.
A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.
The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.
Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.
The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.
The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.
Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.
The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.
In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.
State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."
I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.
The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck.
Mr. Williams is president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a free market public policy research organization in Olympia, Wash.
