Should all tracks in the STL area go to the Hoosier A & H only tire rule for UMP Modifieds?

Should all tracks in the STL area go to the Hoosier A & H only tire rule?

  • YES - A & H's Only

    Votes: 99 62.7%

  • NO - Keep it as is.. Allow A, D & H's

    Votes: 47 29.7%

  • I'm fine either way...

    Votes: 12 7.6%
  • Total voters
    158
i agree with sheetmetal on this, the big problem is engine cost. i do think the d's need to be eliminates, it would save money. if i had to run an a on the lf, rf and lr i could have 6 tires for those 3 corners (instead of a spare lf, a spare rf d, spare rf a, spare lr d, lf a for the feature) and i NEVER run a D on the right rear so that doesnt matter. the biggest thing is the motor claim needs to come back into play. i always planned to claimed somebodies motor when i bought a modified, but when i finallly got one i found that a lot of the guys that won were my friends, so i wouldnt want to make them mad. apparently people get mad if you claim them.
 
Im going to get stomped into the ground,,,, but I understand exactly what bleed_blue is trying to say. But I dont know about the "genetic makeup" of the A being crap.

I ran karts for years, and YES peeling all the rubber off made the tire last many times longer, sometimes 4 or 5 times as long. Once that tire is hot, its hot all the way through and bleeds the rubber right off of it. Running unlimited I never dealt with "profiling" to controll side bite, we needed all the side bite we could get. A big part of the reason I got out of karts was the massive tire bill it cost to run a major race. Youd have to show up with several sets of tires with the same compound and DIFFERENT profiles for chassis tuning. And the chemicals involved would wear you out.

I wish it could be simple, ONE tire that is legal, be it a Yokohama, Brigestone, Hoosier or whatever. theres no way to keep tires on a level playing field, but just one compound would be a start

But definatley peeling alot of money out of the motors would be better yet.
 
mfloyd I appriciate you commenting because you have first hand experience in what I'm trying to convey to most who are reading. The down side is that this is new to the local racer. With that you always get "that's going to cost us more money" and "oh my gosh you want to cut rubber off the tire". Actually doing this makes a tire last longer, it makes the tire wear less while still giving the performance you need. I just didn't think it was that hard to understand.

I'll tell you what guys and this is a one time offer, I'll cut ANYONES tires the first time for FREE. Only the first set and they have to be a new set so that you give them a fair shot. I gaurentee that you will see a performance gain and a gain in your wallet in the long run. No chemically altering involved, only cutting. You guys better believe that any of the big name guys out there are getting them done by either me or someone else. They don't necessarily do for the cost factor because they get huge discounts on everything if not free but they do it for the performance gain.

I don't know how else I have to put this for you guys to comprehend what I'm saying rather than railroad me for what you THINK I'm about. Good luck.
 
Im not on "the side" of cut tires, I understand the advantage of tire wear. when the track is heavy, like it normally is for heat races, theres not enough rubber left on a cut tire to dig in. So your still stuck with a complete exta setup.

If you GIVE me a set thats cut, mounted, and ready to go, ill run them when its dries out. But theres no way on going to buy another full set of rubber, mount them, and have them cut just for the main, thats a grand of tires and wheels sitting on the tire rack waiting for the main. I already have half worn tires that I grind for that.
 
Ok ok fair enough, on a heavy track then yes I would say run a full rubber D. You are grasping the concept of why you cut the tires but then you added the last comment in "I have a rack full of half wore tires for that." Well those are heat cycled, and if you haven't used prep and conditioned the tire very well then those my friend have lost their luster. (For those who are going to jump on me for saying the bad word of "tire prep", I'm not trying to push it I'm trying to show how cutting tires is an alternative and still get a performance advantage within the rules)
 
Believe me the make up of these tires differ from A-H-D and from one tire of the same type to the other. I have actually sawed many of them apart, we make bird feeders out of them, and you guys would be shocked at what your not getting!
 
01cratefan said:
I always though that's why they ran narrow tires?[/hmm it ain't the tirQUOTE]technology does change look at the mod since the begining and look at them now
what has stayed the same the tires but now their able to hook up the big motors makes you hmm
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Intake you are correct, all three of these tires are different in every way possible. From the sidewall construction, cord pattern, rubber makeup, on and on and on. I've broke down just about every tire out there to learn how the operates under dynamic load. This allows you to try to figure out how the tire shape changes as you load the tire. Whether it be Hoosier, American Racer, Goodyear, Mccreary, ect they all are constructed different and act in different ways.
 
Tires and Engines

$15-20,000 engines for a class that pays $500 to win? $10-12,000 engines for a Sportsman class that pays $300-350 to win? I'm sure the tire bills are close to the same amount.Plz correct me if I'm wrong:confused: What are you gonna do with all the current engines if they are phased out? HMM....:)
 
I think the overall point to the tire rule is to help save money and even-up the playing field. The idea would close the gap between first and last. Bleed blue I'm all about a small business trying to make a buck, However, In this sport with already over priced cars motors shocks etc. The last thing I want to do is worry about paying more money for an already over priced tire. Everyone needs to run the same tire...Just my 2 cents...
 
As a mod driver my vote is is yes on A and H tires only. It would slightly close the gap between higher horsepower versus lower horsepower teams which is good for the class. It probably wont save the racer a whole lot of money but i think it will make the class slightly more competitive. I definetly feel like it would make my program more competitive.
 
See that's where you guys are wrong. Limiting the amount of tires to choose from raises the cost of racing. If you make it a spec tire rule it would be even more expensive. By doing that it brings prep into play even more. By only having 2 compounds to choose from you will have to prep very heavily to be competitive.

Trust me guys I've seen this movie before, this is exactly what Karts have tried to do for years. By doing this it made us have 20 different sets of tires with us, all prepped different and all new. New rubber will always beat old rubber. This is just a vicious cycle and it's not going to do anything but hurt the smaller guy. If this happens, the gap from the fast guys just got bigger from the slower guys. I really hope some of this is soaking in to you guys.
 
Soaking,,Prep,,,are these are a unit thing? If so,,I thought soaking was illegal! HA,,,,Put 'em all on an American Racers,,then we will save money,,,Can't argue that fact!
 
This must be a question for the drivers or folks that understand the tire rule. Can someone tell me what the issue is with the different tires? Thanks.
 
biker6403 said:
$15-20,000 engines for a class that pays $500 to win? $10-12,000 engines for a Sportsman class that pays $300-350 to win? I'm sure the tire bills are close to the same amount.Plz correct me if I'm wrong:confused: What are you gonna do with all the current engines if they are phased out? HMM....:)
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I only spend $3000.00 to $4000.00 per engine.
 
RichieFor20 said:
This must be a question for the drivers or folks that understand the tire rule. Can someone tell me what the issue is with the different tires? Thanks.
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There is no issue with the current tire rule, it's a misconception. Tire technology has come a long way in recent years and this technology isn't necessarily coming from the tire manufactuers. Some tend to think that the Emod D tire(because of how soft it is) is bad for the local racer because they feel it doesn't last long, and in turn costs the racer to much money. This just isn't the case if they prepare the tire correctly. The tire does come with to much rubber mass on it, but if you cut that rubber off the tire it will be a huge advantage. Performance and longer tire life is there to be gained.
 
That's your opinion because you SELL the service of cutting the tires and other prep methods. To eliminate the additional expense of cutting tires and so forth, some tracks want to go to only the harder tires which do last longer than the softer D tire.

Some drivers want to keep the D series tire because that is the only tire they know how to get to "hookup" on the track.


bleed_blue16 said:
There is no issue with the current tire rule, it's a misconception. Tire technology has come a long way in recent years and this technology isn't necessarily coming from the tire manufactuers. Some tend to think that the Emod D tire(because of how soft it is) is bad for the local racer because they feel it doesn't last long, and in turn costs the racer to much money. This just isn't the case if they prepare the tire correctly. The tire does come with to much rubber mass on it, but if you cut that rubber off the tire it will be a huge advantage. Performance and longer tire life is there to be gained.
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