Should all tracks in the STL area go to the Hoosier A & H only tire rule for UMP Modifieds?

Should all tracks in the STL area go to the Hoosier A & H only tire rule?

  • YES - A & H's Only

    Votes: 99 62.7%

  • NO - Keep it as is.. Allow A, D & H's

    Votes: 47 29.7%

  • I'm fine either way...

    Votes: 12 7.6%
  • Total voters
    158
My service makes a tire last longer and in the end saves a team money. My service really has nothing to do with them eliminating a tire to choose from.
 
bleed_blue16 said:
Some tend to think that the Emod D tire(because of how soft it is) is bad for the local racer because they feel it doesn't last long, and in turn costs the racer to much money. This just isn't the case if they prepare the tire correctly. The tire does come with to much rubber mass on it, but if you cut that rubber off the tire it will be a huge advantage. Performance and longer tire life is there to be gained.
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Sorry if I missed it, but roughly how many heat races and or laps can the average local racer expect a cut and treated "D" prepped by you, to "fire" vs an uncut and untreated "D". And how much do you charge the local racer to cut and treat each tire?
 
I charge a flat rate of $20 for all lathe work. This includes the cutting, needling, and profiling of the tire. To prep the tire internally is $15, this has to be only done one time and it's good for the life of the tire. This is what builds the durability in the tire and keeps the tire fast until you see threads. The surface prep is something they will apply during the week themselves(or by me if they wish), this will cost an average of $5 a week. So in total the extra charge after you buy the tire is around $40 dollars. If you do all of that you will see anywhere from 3-6 extra nights out of a Emod D. So like I said at the end of the year you will probably end up buying far less new tires than you would if you only bought new and bolted them on.
 
bleed_blue16 said:
I charge a flat rate of $20 for all lathe work. To prep the tire internally is $15, The surface prep will cost an average of $5 a week. So in total the extra charge after you buy the tire is around $40 dollars. If you do all of that you will see anywhere from 3-6 extra nights out of a Emod D.
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Trying to understand this correctly... So if you get an average of 4 extra nights on a tire and you have to spend $5 each week treating it, that brings the price up to an extra $55/tire?
 
Rough estimate yes $55 extra per tire would be a good assumption. When you do the math a tire will cost you anywhere from $115-$130 depending if you buy it a local race shop or you buy it at the track. With the two combined you are looking at a total cost of a tire at $170-185. Now if that tire last you twice the laps it normally would have then that is a total saving of roughly $60-75 per tire.

Now let's say for example you average going through 10 tires a year(and that's just a random number) then you could expect to spend anywhere from $1150-1300 for brand new tires that season. But if you did the process I talked about you would only use around 5 tires that year at a rate of $170-185 per tire, which comes a grand total of $850-925 in tires that year. In turn that saves the driver $300-350 in that year.

Now here comes another kicker. I provide the driver with the tires at what I pay for them, I charge no mark up on brand new tires, so that adds an additional savings of $15-30 per tire. So please, and this is aimed towards anyone, how do I drive up the cost in racing?
 
Cut it deep and add more water! Then you don't have to worry about who has what on their tires, traction control, over-adjustable shocks, etc...
 
Everybody is fast on a tractioned up track. The real drivers and real racing starts when it gets slick. I hate it when the track is wet or rubbered up. Give me the shine anytime.
 
I've seen plenty people who are not fast on a FAST track. Too many guys don't want to sack up and hit the pedal on the right!

Didn't matter what you had on your tires at the Charley Bowl. Dirt racing was founded on the unpredictabilty of the surface and its conditions. It's bad when you go to a track and it is wasted after hot laps.

At what point are we straying too far from the roots...it is costing NASCAR dearly right now.
 
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