Smoking Ban Jan 1,2007

Ringo1066 said:
I own a bar in a small town in Illinois. I tended bar 10 years before I bought it and have owned it for 5 1/2 years. Everything I have is invested in it; years of seven days a week, 24 hours on the mind and I have built some equity. No one knew this was coming anytime soon and I, as well as many friends of mine that own taverns, are plain scared. It all might just blow away in a puff of smoke (pun intended).
Are there risks to any business? Of course there are. I'm not whining, crying or moaning. What happens will happen and we all will try to adapt. But don't tell me it won't hurt. Ask Springfield, IL. When they passed a city ordinance against smoking, people flocked outside the limits and to surrounding towns. Many People (that's right people just like you) lost their jobs; some lost their business. Some of the bigger clubs in bigger cities will thrive and politicians will use their success as talking points, taking the smoke out of our mouth and blowing it right back up our.......yeah.
Where this will hurt the most are small timers in small towns with a hefty amount of blue collar workers that are predominatly smokers. That would be most of Illinois south of Chicago, with a few exceptions. I know I am farting in the wind here, but please don't come on here and make this argument trivial. For some of us, it's all we have ever known and it may soon be gone.
Oh well, We'll always have the track, right? But don't be surprised if the tracks are soon covered under the ban as well. They'll tell us it's for our own good (nevermind that we are already breathing carbon monoxide from the cars as well as dust and dirt) because second hand smoke causes cancer. Guess what, living causes cancer and Big Brother wants to make sure we don't live our lives unless it's according to their plan. Sorry, that's enough ranting. Hope it all blows over and finds us all still standing. Believe me, I hope I am just being defeatist, but I doubt it.
In the meantine, see you all at the track. I'll be sure to give you a light if you need one.

Thanks for your time,
Steve Wilson
Willie's 109 West
Carlinville, IL
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THE ADVANTAGE YOU HAVE IS THAT NO BAR WILL BE ABLE TO ALLOW SMOKING. UNLIKE IN MISSOURI WHERE IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM TOWN TO TOWN. ONE BAR OWNER WAS IN A CITY THAT HAS A SMOKING BAN. BUT THE BAR OWNER A MILE DOWN THE ROAD WAS IN A CITY THAT ALLOWS IT. IT WAS HURTING SOME AND HELPING OTHERS THAT WAY.
 
I live in the Fenton area, Got 5 inches by 9:30 pm and it slowed down so Ill put it a 5
Ya I drank real bad for real long then one day July 1st.2005 I up and quit cold turckey. Wanted to see if I could make it though the big party and drinking weekend. And god strike me dead if I have had one since then. I do go to bars / clubs/ everywhere I was told not to go but as you might know from your experance it is will power and common sence that will over come your need or want to drink. Not to say the out come of what WILL happen in days to come. That is why I said earlyer it is never just 1, 99% of people cant stop at 1. Lets face it, There is truth in the saying "Taste Great" Now its coverd with snow out there and I only made it to I-55 & 141 and turned around and came back home. The roads are BAD:mad:
 
Tyson Racing said:
No , Your right they just risk peoples' life as well as they're own by driving drunk. jmo
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Not everyone who drinks, drives while impaired. Every person who smokes in a bar or other public place does effect everyone around them.


king
 
What is the matter with people?? The rules you set on private property are yours to ultimately control.
There is nobody twisting the arms of smokers telling them they have to patronize a smoking allowed establishment. They are capable of making a decision. Sure there may be some sacrifice involved. But sacrifice should go both ways. A smoker may have to compromise to go into some places, no differently than a non smoker should also be willing to compromise. Each establishment should make their own rules.
We are being so overwhelmed with public safety that even children running on a playground is being stopped because of the fear of a fall and scrape!

Smoking ban is micromanaging human behavior. Adults can make a decision without the nanny state government holding their hand and writing a permission slip for everything we do.
I am a non smoker. But I used to smoke. I just think that smoking bans go too far because there are no compromises.
 
Todd27T said:
What is the matter with people??

We are being so overwhelmed with public safety that even children running on a playground is being stopped because of the fear of a fall and scrape!
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No, the fear is ...that a parent will file a frivilous lawsuit against the school or park.


king
 
Question for all of you smokers....

Would you want to get on an 30 seat airplane with 20 other people who were infected with tuberculosis?

Question for all you bar owners....

Have you stopped to think that now you can reach out to the non smoker demographic and get them back in your establishment? Rather than focusing on the negative (that hasn't happened yet) get proactive and consider ways to turn this into a positive.


Side note and true story...My wife and I went to Ethyl's Smokehouse and Bar in O'fallon, MO on Friday night. Our first time there. We loved the food, and being non-smokers we sat in the N/S section. It was so smokey we vowed never to go back. Even though I had the best pulled pork I've ever ate, we will not frequent that establishment again simply because it was a miserable environment.

king
 
I went to the kart races at DuQuoin yesterday. The facility is an indoor arena & guess what, there is no smoking allowed. You can go in & breath all the fumes from the karts, motorcycles, midgets or micro's, but god forbid someone lite up a cigarette! That is just plain retarded if you ask me.

For all you non-smokers that think second hand smoke is so "criminal" and are concerned about your health, maybe you should think about your health & not attend races that produce exhaust fumes & dust.
 
I recently quit cold turkey(4 months) and could care less who smokes around me although when I was still a smoker and someone didn't want me to smoke I RESPECTED there wishes and did not smoke with no smart remaks or attitude like I have seen from others.
When I was still a smoker (for 38 years) I always prefered to sit in non smoking as one of the more disgusting things to me was tobacco smoke while eating.
Not wanting to get on a soap box here but after I quit I realized how everything I have car, truck, clothes, house, etc absoulutly reeked of smoke.
I also don't miss coughing up those brown chunks of sh*t that look like pieces of lung either!
If the whole state of Il is going to be smoke free, how is that going to kill business? People biting there nose off to spite there face and not going out anywhere at all because they can't smoke? JMO:D
 
That's OK we keep going and CHINA will have done there job!! Folks better wake up before it is to late. Our jobs are leaving us FAST and our rites are going even faster!! FREEDOM ISNT THAT WHAT AMERICA IS BASED ON??Hate to say this>> But the majority of our public is just to IGNORANT or LAZEY to see it or even care. We would much rather do nothing and allow the FORCED child labor country have their CHILDREN do the work for us @ almost no cost!! :rolleyes:
 
I've been putting up with cig smoke for 52 yrs. at public places,,,it is about time you smokers have to abide by the rules,,go outside in the cold and take a puff,maybe the cold air will help you out a little,I for one will be able to enjoy my meals now without huffing in that nasty s h i t . Even now the cafe personnel march you right thru the smokers to get to your non smoking area,,wait a joke. Or they will be standing right in the doorway taking a puff and I get the brunt of it right before going in....At least this is 1 thing ole Rod bag-of-s h i t did for the state,,,,
 
Well MR gotta tell ya something>> I HATE the smoke as much as you do. Not to include when they open the package it all goes out the window or straight to the ground along w/ the butt. But as far as our Government telling the OWNERS of a business they will not allow it just because YOU may want to come in and eat there?? You have a choice to stay home or go someplace were the OWNER chose to go smoke free.How would you like it if some one told you that you stink?? Then they make it a law to keep any one that stinks like you out?? I HATE THE SMELL OF SMOKE ALSO>> BUT' I DO HAVE THE CHOICE TO GO ELSWERE OR EAT @ HOME!!!THAT IS NOT YOUR NOR MY RITE.YOU DO NOT OWN THAT BUSINESS!! JUST WAIT TILL THEY TELL YOU RACING IS ILLEGEL??THE RATE THINGS ARE GOING NOW W/ OUR LAWS.IT WILL COME TO THAT!!
ALCOHOL said:
I've been putting up with cig smoke for 52 yrs. at public places,,,it is about time you smokers have to abide by the rules,,go outside in the cold and take a puff,maybe the cold air will help you out a little,I for one will be able to enjoy my meals now without huffing in that nasty s h i t . Even now the cafe personnel march you right thru the smokers to get to your non smoking area,,wait a joke. Or they will be standing right in the doorway taking a puff and I get the brunt of it right before going in....At least this is 1 thing ole Rod bag-of-s h i t did for the state,,,,
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ALCOHOL You put your self in that spot for the last 52 years. It is with out question due to your age you are old enough to go where you want. You choose to put up with the smokers. There has to be more important things to cry about than smoking. Do you drink? I did for over 30 years and quit and now I can tell you one thing that stinks MORE than a smoker is the smell of someone that talks to you in a car or sits next to you. That is the smell from He**
 
Bolo I think your going off the deep end.

As I stated earlier.. smokers have a right to smoke, but not at the cost of doing harm to others. Much the same way I have a right to carry a hand gun, but I do not have the right to shoot someone.

What about the rights of those with asthma or other respiratory problems. Dont they have a right to go to a restaraunt and not breathe polluted air? I guess because they have health issues they don't matter.

Sean, stick to things you know something about. Which is ?????????lol When is the last time CO or Dust caused cancer? To say something like "why don't you nonsmokers quit going to the races" is as childish as me telling you smokers to go sit in a closet with a can of Raid and a plastic bag and huff your guts out.

So far I've noticed none of you smokers willing to get on that plane I mentioned earlier.


king
 
I think you may be burnt also??

Get on a plane and cart your butt to China. Make your business smoke free.Then anyone with health issues can come to you, Mean wile TRUE AMERICA needs to remain FREE!! You are just one of the public that I was talking about in my last post!! You say "Which is ?????????lol When is the last time CO or Dust caused cancer? Man I wish I had your smarts>> NOT!!Wonder why suicide works in an enclosed shop w/ the eng. runnig??
kingeddy said:
Bolo I think your going off the deep end.

As I stated earlier.. smokers have a right to smoke, but not at the cost of doing harm to others. Much the same way I have a right to carry a hand gun, but I do not have the right to shoot someone.

What about the rights of those with asthma or other respiratory problems. Dont they have a right to go to a restaraunt and not breathe polluted air? I guess because they have health issues they don't matter.

Sean, stick to things you know something about. Which is ?????????lol When is the last time CO or Dust caused cancer? To say something like "why don't you nonsmokers quit going to the races" is as childish as me telling you smokers to go sit in a closet with a can of Raid and a plastic bag and huff your guts out.

So far I've noticed none of you smokers willing to get on that plane I mentioned earlier.


king
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Now I guess I am childish...LOL!

The point I was trying to make is some of you are so concerned about second hand smoke & your health but you are around so many other things that can affect your health as well and you don't b!tch about it. The last time I checked exhaust fumes & dust were bad for you, but hell what do I know, right king?

Sorry, I didn't realize that this was a non-smokers only thread!

This whole thread is probably childish to most anyone reading it, I am glad we could all participate.....some just participate more than others.
 
Rolo, how old are you. 13? "get on a plane and cart my butt to china"???? What a childish statement. I didn't expect much more though. Thats usually what people do when they are backed into a corner and don't have any other valid argument. I'll go one better... My dad can beat up your dad!:p:p:p:p

I've never ate in a restaraunt that had an automobile engine running in the dining area. If your not intelligent enough to realize intentionally committing suicide and someone else poisoning your lungs with second hand smoke are two entirely diffent things, then you don't even need to be commenting on this subject.

And just so everyone knows, my comment to Sean was entirely a joke. He's drank enough beers with us that I am entitled to a little jab.

From Bolo's previous post, I gather he feels that people with health issues are lesser individuals. I am shocked to hear that from someone who is preaching about True America, and the rights of the people.

Second hand smoke has been proven to cause lung cancer. The government has a responsiblity to create and enforce laws to keep citizens safe. Hence the drunk driving law. Bolo, you have the right to drive, but you can't legally do it drunk. Do you know why? Because you may harm someone else. Why aren't you defending your right to drive drunk? Bolo???Come on,,, isn't that taking away some of your freedom too?

Earlier this summer a man was removed from an airplane, detained and quarantined. He had TB. Since you argue that smokers have a right to smoke in bars, doesn't that man with TB have a right to fly on a commercial airliner? How bout it Rolo, answer the question...Do you want to get on that plane? And why weren't you on this board defending his rights? Oh, thats right,,,he has a health issue.

The citizens of IL will still have a right to smoke. They just can't do it where it will cause harm to others.

Bolo, you bring up the phrase "True America is based freedom". Do you think that means freedom to do what you want, at any expense, or to do anything you please? I'm 100% sure that most intelligent people on this board will agree with me, that that is not what the Bill of Rights/Constitution is about.


king
 
I got more rope for ya.Just incase you run out??
kingeddy said:
Rolo, how old are you. 13? "get on a plane and cart my butt to china"???? What a childish statement. I didn't expect much more though. Thats usually what people do when they are backed into a corner and don't have any other valid argument. I'll go one better... My dad can beat up your dad!:p:p:p:p

I've never ate in a restaraunt that had an automobile engine running in the dining area. If your not intelligent enough to realize intentionally committing suicide and someone else poisoning your lungs with second hand smoke are two entirely diffent things, then you don't even need to be commenting on this subject.

And just so everyone knows, my comment to Sean was entirely a joke. He's drank enough beers with us that I am entitled to a little jab.

From Bolo's previous post, I gather he feels that people with health issues are lesser individuals. I am shocked to hear that from someone who is preaching about True America, and the rights of the people.

Second hand smoke has been proven to cause lung cancer. The government has a responsiblity to create and enforce laws to keep citizens safe. Hence the drunk driving law. Bolo, you have the right to drive, but you can't legally do it drunk. Do you know why? Because you may harm someone else. Why aren't you defending your right to drive drunk? Bolo???Come on,,, isn't that taking away some of your freedom too?

Earlier this summer a man was removed from an airplane, detained and quarantined. He had TB. Since you argue that smokers have a right to smoke in bars, doesn't that man with TB have a right to fly on a commercial airliner? How bout it Rolo, answer the question...Do you want to get on that plane? And why weren't you on this board defending his rights? Oh, thats right,,,he has a health issue.

The citizens of IL will still have a right to smoke. They just can't do it where it will cause harm to others.

Bolo, you bring up the phrase "True America is based freedom". Do you think that means freedom to do what you want, at any expense, or to do anything you please? I'm 100% sure that most intelligent people on this board will agree with me, that that is not what the Bill of Rights is about.


king
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Well, if you've got something to hang me with, nows the time. Its put up or shut up time. As of yet, I haven't read anything remotely intelligent from you.

Sorry Sean, maybe a bad choice of words when I said childish. The old "if you don't like it, you don't have to go" catchphrase just doesn't sit well with me.


king
 
bolo said:
How would you like it if some one told you that you stink?? Then they make it a law to keep any one that stinks like you out??
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Actually as a business owner, I already have this right. I have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If they stink and are making an unpleasant dining experience for others, I have the right to ask them to leave. And it has happened.
 
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