dirt hound
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guess what if a guy like MARK OLLER CAN WIN LEGAL ITS NOT THE MOTOR
stlracing: UMP claimed bryan collins (brant kehrer's) engine and they refused to have it taken and t
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He wins some, but doesnt dominate. Definately not who I had in mind. Hes a wheeler, hes always done more with less, running wet sump in a super and winning etc.. He is what the crate class should be.
dirt hound
Registered User
Wonder what he will do next year ,money talks bs walks same goes for the crates and they found korte legaL also
CruzzinDowntheRoad
New Member
Sounds like a grudge against Collins to me. Perhaps Colllins kicked his *** on the track.
Sunday's race was not UMP sanctioned for the crates.
As close to equal as possible. No 2 motors are the same in performance. They will be close but not the same. Especially true with mass produced crate motors that have lenient tolerances. Which is why GM gives +/- dimensions on all parts.
Along4theRide
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Since Bryan was DQ'd as the second place finisher, did they (UMP) take the motor of the new second place finisher or was it because UMP only wanted that Kehrer motor for some reason?
I would assume, since Bryan could not collect his check that someone else collected the second place check. Again, my assumption would be they took the motor of the new second place finisher, as stated above that UMP was going to take the second place motor, no matter who it belonged to. Can anyone answer that question?00BusDriver
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Since Bryan was DQ'd as the second place finisher, did they (UMP) take the motor of the new second place finisher or was it because UMP only wanted that Kehrer motor for some reason?
Bobby became the new second place finisher after the D.Q. and he would have gladly given up our motor to prove we were legal. That is just what most people do when you run a class with a claim rule....otherwise why have the rule? If that meant we would have to miss a race or stay up all night to change motors, then that is what WE would have done. But UMP never asked for ours.
So if this is the owners first claim refusal, that would mean that if any of the Kehrer cars are claimed at the Round-Up they would have to give up the motor or the driver would face at least a 1 year UMP suspension from all UMP classes....right?
00BusDriver
Joe Dauderman
It appears UMP seems to want that engine as bad as Team Kehrer does, as they have been after it all season to no avail...... Everyone else wants to keep THERE engine as well, but the rules are the rules..... or are they?
I don't believe Walston and his car owner recieved a free pass when they refused the claim at Paducah this year. They were fined $1,000 and had to pay it before Walston could race his Super Late Model the next week. When did the one refusal rule come in to play?
I don't believe Walston and his car owner recieved a free pass when they refused the claim at Paducah this year. They were fined $1,000 and had to pay it before Walston could race his Super Late Model the next week. When did the one refusal rule come in to play?
They(UMP) already got that motor a month ago. Don't know about the Walston deal????
Along4theRide
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I was only wanting to know if the new second place holder's motor was taken or even if UMP approached them. Nothing was ever mention, but it was a question that I am sure others were wondering about too. Honestly, I could not remember who moved up to second. I would have had to look through the other posts about results.
In this class, there is only one reason not to let them have the engine. Its plain and simple. Give me one senario (a good one) why the car owner wouldn't allow the claim, I cannot see any reason that Kehrer would not to allow the claim. The reasons previously given in this post are bs. So there is no reason on why the driver cannot make the decision. The driver is trusted enough to not to destroy the car by running into another car, wall etc. I see this being no different.
BTW, I have no dog in this fight, other than being a fan. Also nothing against the Kehrer team, I'm a huge fan of Billy Faust as matter of fact.
BTW, I have no dog in this fight, other than being a fan. Also nothing against the Kehrer team, I'm a huge fan of Billy Faust as matter of fact.
Been There Done That
Member
They did not have any reason to not give up the motor when UMP was offering a replacement. So what if it had been through a flood, etc. If it blows up you give it back to UMP in pieces. All they would have been out would have been out would be Sunday's earning's, which they gave up more Sat. Night. Or they could have left UMP's motor in the trailer and installed a spare. When you have the number of cars they have you can't tell me they don't have spare motors.
It does no good to have a claim rule if your going to let people get by with not giving a motor up to be tech'ed. And that is what this is about, UMP wanted to do a more exstinsive tech, and had no problem giving the original motor back if it was legal.
Been There Done That
Member
You are absokutely correct. It would have been a little different if another racer wanted to swap motors, but UMP just wanted to have it looked at. Anybody refusing to be teched should be banned. That is the only way to control this.
How about this, what do you think there answer would have been if UMP would have had Dean on hand at the track to pull it down right there, and if legal put back together before they left the track. Shouldn't be a problem for someone who has nothing to hide.
This entire thread has become like one of those weekend murder mystery deals. So I have 2 more possibilities.
1- The motor that WAS in the 92k was out being freshened up so they put the "new" back up motor in Korte's car which would explain the switch.
2- They ran out of beer getting the entire Kerher Bros. fleet ready for the weekend and couldn't perform another engine switch.
1- The motor that WAS in the 92k was out being freshened up so they put the "new" back up motor in Korte's car which would explain the switch.
2- They ran out of beer getting the entire Kerher Bros. fleet ready for the weekend and couldn't perform another engine switch.
Been There Done That
Member
You can't race in a restricted class, refuse to have your engine torn down and then expect everyone to believe your legal.
If UMP doesn't enforce this they might as well throw the rules out the window.
If UMP doesn't enforce this they might as well throw the rules out the window.
First of all, we're talking about a glorified hobby class that normally runs for a $500 purse, to equate crates and the touring pro's by bring Bloomquest into the discussion only shows that some people don't have both feet on the ground.
Second, any one (kehrer brothers motorsports)that would buy a fleet of cars, spend twice the amount of money on a spec motor to cheat it up,and hire drivers to drive them also doesn't have both feet on the ground.
Third, UMP needs to grow some and make the penalty severe enough on both the car owner and the driver that no one would touch a suspected cheated up car.
Second, any one (kehrer brothers motorsports)that would buy a fleet of cars, spend twice the amount of money on a spec motor to cheat it up,and hire drivers to drive them also doesn't have both feet on the ground.
Third, UMP needs to grow some and make the penalty severe enough on both the car owner and the driver that no one would touch a suspected cheated up car.
