B-Mods.......

my opinion

i feel if you are in any kind of a modified class you should have to run alky. if you are running gas in a modified class basically you are running a pure street car with a modified body. i am sure there are few differences but basically you are running a pure street motor and trany in a modified chassis. the alky does make the motor run cooler , but with gas you just pour it in and go with usually no problems. as for the cost it is about $7.50 a gallon at Duncan's and alky is about $3-4 a gallion and you can buy that at any track. but if you are that concerned about the cost of fuel then buy it from a regular gas station which is about $3.40 a gallon or just not race until you can afford it.;) chris
 
I'm in

I'll most likely be there. hopefully the track wont be as rough as it was last time we ran there though. I think the G-60's are no advantage so go ahead and use them if that's what you got, UMP might say differently though.

John Hahler
Driver of the 91H B-mod
 
racerx88

where did you come up with that crap????????????pure street car with a mod body, just cause its on gas and not alky????dude, you truly are clueless on this whole subject!!!!!!!
 
Could youguys give me a little info on the bmods? Things like what kind of suspension (2-link 4-link), motor rules(cunic in. rule), carbs(2barrel or 4),I couldnt make sense out of the doerun rules (especially when it said full fire wall from left to right and couldnt get body diagrams) anyway any help would be good.Thanks
 
car rules

just bring your modified with no quick change, bert or brinn either. Ours is a 4 bar, z link and some are leaf springs just a regular B modified and your legal. call Kenny harris at 573-747-8881 and he will tell you anything you need to know
paul
 
Rules

Pretty much any suspension you want no coil over shocks (2 link, 4 link, leafer). No cubic inch rule. must have steel heads and block. Carb must be a 2 barrel with 1 3/8" venturi's must pass gauge check. As far as the body it goes by ump body rules. I think the rule about the firewall just means a continuous firewall left to right in front of the drivers compartment. Hope this helps.

RBI I would also like to offer an apology to you I see where that rule is printed in Doe Run rules. I believe it is a misprint it should probably read solid from left door to the right side of drivers compartment.
 
Ok guys thanks for the info. Thats pretty well what i have a 3 link with 360 cubic in 2 barrel motor with solid top link on ar g60s.
 
no coilovers?

Where did you see a rule that says no coilovers allowed? DRR and UMP rulebooks allow them. DRR actually says 5" coil overs are allowed.

I said that I wasnt gonna argue over the alky deal, but it sounds is if my case has been strengthened. I have yet to see a legitimate arguement against it. As for all the "nice components to make it work", I can assure you what we have is no where near as nice as what some guys have in these cars. If since, by your own admission, it isnt that big of a deal, why not just let us run? You have ran against it at DRR and at Farmington the last time, did it hurt you or cause you any problems?
Ken, I dont want to start a fued with you b4 we even meet. I like to get along with everyone. I do, however, enjoy a friendly debate...especially when I am right!!! ;):p:rolleyes:
 
The b-mod rules have been run this way for many, many years now... and they work pretty good. If we start allowing people to run this or that extra part or fuel or what ever then in a few years the class will be gone and we'll all be running a-mods which most of us can't afford; thats why we run b-mods.

Basicly what will happen is if you get to run alky then I want to be able run my Bert. Next thing you know somebody else will get to run alum. heads and now your back to an a-mod.
 
I think, like many others have said,... do NOT go changing/opening rules on these cars. There are a ton of cars built to MCS & Doe Run rules.... I hope it would not turn into a situation of "allow alky and I won't come" BUT, in all reality and in the long run, if you open up the rules to gain 2 cars, you will open up pit space from the several cars that will find some place else to go... a place that sticks to their rules.

This class puts on a great show, and are a tight-knit bunch of friends. I would like to see SFCR put them on the schedule. I don't want to see them pick up this class and then change a rule here or there (i'm not saying that they would)... that will only hurt the class. Just my opinion... Good luck to all, we'll be there cheering you all on! Mike
 
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OK, first off, no one would be "changing" any rules. SFCR does not have a set of rules yet for this class. DRR and MCS have rules and I am not asking them to change there rules. I am simply asking that whomever is in charge of this at Farmington look at the option of running by the UMP rules, which do allow alcohol. I have been a track official (tech guy) at more than one race track, and understand that rules are rules and whatever they decide is just the way it is. I have not said that we will not come even if it is gas only. I want this class to work so that we have a Saturday night option. As I have stated before, I am not the type that will throw a fit and not come play just because I dont get everything my way.
We have raced with most of these guys before, and have had fun doing so. We are looking forward to it again. Even if we do have to go borrow a carburetor again.
 
yes weekly

My family and i are huge fans of modified racing. I currently have a modified, if they would make b-mods a regular class every saturday night i could not make the august show. I would however make the races after that paticular show, every saturday night. Modified racing is a very exciting sport and this day and time with the economy the way it is. A more affordable modified class that is competitive and fun to race and to watch, count me in .
 
Ump points

how can you run for UMP points at a IMCA track? are all the classes going to be by UMP that night? just confused how the rules can change at a drop of a dime. if you are a IMCA track then run by those rules, if you are a UMP track run by those rules. so simple . chris
 
first thread

in the first thread by "junebug #1 fan, it was stated for UMP points, i guess that is where it stands. UMP rules
 
Clarification

I guess I should of said no coil over shocks. 5" coil over kits are okay. I was referring to the 2" coil overs that the lates run. Also I don't believe that Farmington is a sanctioned IMCA track. They just adopted some of the imca rules. As far as the UMP points, when a UMP track promotes the race and sanctions a race at a different track they can report the UMP points as their own. I'm sure the points will be reported through Doe Run.

Derek, I believe the main reason for running gas is so the average guy can go and buy a off the shelf carb and run it without doing a bunch of work to it. If everyone ran alky getting the carb reworked would be another expense the new guy has to come up with. Also Alky may be cheaper but you burn about 65 to 70% more fuel so if you look at it that way it drives the cost per gallon up there close to gas. I know from a fact with the same exact motor we went from burning 15 to 16 gallons of alky a night to 8 gallons of gas when we switched. As far as the components of your motor if they are what you said on your post on 4M then you have a pretty nice piece.

Jerry you hit it on the head. That's exactly what we are trying to avoid. I've only been running this class for 3 years now (not a lot compared to you). I haven't had to change anything on my car in all that time. It's nice to be able to work on fine tuning in the off season instead of trying to find or buy the next hop up part. Leave the rules alone they work great and make it a level playing field.
 
racerx88 said:
i feel if you are in any kind of a modified class you should have to run alky. if you are running gas in a modified class basically you are running a pure street car with a modified body. chris
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You might want to ask around. You would probably be surprised at how many mods and even late models that don't run alcohol.
 
Give me a break.UMP does allow quickchanges in their limited mods.UMP allows tracks to choose the type of carbs and the tire.They allow a track to go to another track twice a year and post UMP points as long as a UMP track running the same class is not within 50 miles.Go to UMP and look at the rules.Doe Run can can not change rules at their pleasure and stay sanctioned.As for as the motors being cost efficient that went out the door when they adopted UMP limited rules over the B Mod rules of the 350 with vacuum.Don't argue with this when world product fully ported and polished heads with titanium valves and shaft rockers are legal.
 
Ma Ma said:
Doe Run can can not change rules at their pleasure and stay sanctioned.
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I am confused by your post. What do you mean DRR can not change rules at their pleasure????? WHAT rules have they changed?:confused:
After 're-reading' the above post I'm not sure if the post was meant to be a bash toward DRR or if it was a statement in general. So, with that said, I'm just confused. LOL!!
 
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