Gas prices are going to be the death of racing

rantool41 said:
There is one thing we can do when its time to vote for your congressman or senators, governor vote them out of office and see how they like that. Sorry i sound like winer but its all the truth. Call your governor or congressman and tell him your tried of these high fuel prices. The more they hear about it from people more they are to try to do something about it.
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The good news is that over 300 Congressmen are up for re-election the next time around. The bad news is we don't get to vote them out for another 15 months.

The other problem, of course, is that alot of folks only come out to the polls every fourth year when the Presidency is up for a vote. I don't think we can afford to wait until 2008 when the Bush Reign of Error finally come to an end. The American People have to go beyond simply b-tching about the situation and kick these clowns out of power.
 
Guys stop and think! People voted "BUSH" in,he's for the wealthy and if you could talk to him and ask him he'd lie about this. President Bush and Family own, sell and trade their oil rights they own. I can't remember how much in the oil fields! Thought that's why we put the "Pipeline" in Alaska!! Oil rigs off the coast and they say it's to exspensive to break down and make. My own thoughts!
 
You only have to earn a mere $89,000 a year to be in the "elite" top 10% of the nation income wise. 10% of the nation amounts to about 35 million or so, considering the nation's population of roughly 350 million the last time I checked.

Now, that IS a lot of money, but when you really sit back and think about it, does that really sound like an "elite" income? I know a body shop guy who earns in excess of $50,000 a year, I know a plumber who takes in $60,000, I also know a guy in the boilermakers union who tells me he is guaranteed to earn $60,000 a year or better every year. Florissant Police officers earn $62,000 a year, the highest paid police officers in the state of MO. Truckers running with Swift logistics earn in excess of $50,000 a year, trainers can earn as much as $72,000 a year.

Now, combine those figures with second incomes of $20,000 or more, and what do you have? A lot of homes with combined incomes that if they were earned by a single individual, would qualify for an "elite" income in the top 10%.

In the last election, roughly 45% of the people who could vote, did. If you look at that $89,000 "elite top 10%" income figure, and then take on board all the statements that Bush is only for the elite rich, and factor in the incredible amount of traditional working class homes that have combined incomes at or near that "elite rich" $89,000 income cutoff (and to make it even more interesting, how many people out there have combined incomes that would get you into the $70,000 range? That is two $35,000 a year jobs combined, and $35,000 does not seem to be ridiculously unachievable, since that is what truckers start at. It is not like the $20,000 difference in incomes is a ridiculous gap between the elite 10% "haves" and the rest of the working class "have nots.")

For people who say Bush is just for the elite rich, well. It looks to me like that could be a group of people much larger than just a couple of his Washington billionaire cronies. Looks to me like that group covers a big chunk of the population, when you get right down to it. Why, the "elite rich" could be the people right next door to you.
 
With all that being said, I still think the gas prices s uck & I still believe that G dubya is a big factor in the prices! I dont care how much money puts you in the "elite"! G dubya started the war so he could get his money machine rollin!!!!!
 
T.nie where did you get the info that Florissant Cops make 62 grand a year,,,i know a few Florissant cops,one busted a gut when i told him what you said he makes!!!!
 
T.nie, as you pointed out the policy's of this administration benifit only the top 10 percent.

They could not win elections with only 10 percent of the vote, therefore they have to rely on slight of hand tricks to fool enough people to close the gap.

you've had your buttons pushed, and your wallet picked.
 
HMRT MotorSports said:
T.nie where did you get the info that Florissant Cops make 62 grand a year,,,i know a few Florissant cops,one busted a gut when i told him what you said he makes!!!!
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Funny you should say that. My source was none other than... A Florissant police officer.:confused:
 
Millsey said:
What about the people who make $20,000 and under???? SCREW THEM HUH!
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I dont know too many people who can afford to go racing or are even involved in the sport earning less than $20,000 a year. Those people don't play golf or tennis or do much of anything, either. They do however, find the money to smoke, drink and hit the casinos. Imagine that. Of course, there are always exceptions.

Now, what we really need to address is this: Is local dirt track racing a luxury good, or a necessity?

Hmmm. Let's see. If I can't go racing, will I die? No. If I can't go to the track and watch, will I suffer great hardship and distress? No. If racing at the local track were to disappear altogether, would this mean the entire community locally would suffer great hardship? uh...... No. In fact, many in the local community would be saying GOOD RIDDANCE to the noisy mess, the drunks, the fights, the "nuisance" that racing is to them.

Racing is a luxury that is beyond many people's means. I do it on a shoe string, and it does not take a whole lot for me to park the car and just go watch for the night. I think some people need to readjust their perspective, and put the racing component of their lives back into it's rightful place. A luxury, a hobby, nothing more.

Now, if you want to work in a field that is driven largely by people's surplus cash, don't complain when times are hard and people stop spending their surplus cash on your luxury good. Kind of like selling Ferraris: when the economy is booming, you sell a lot of Ferraris, but inevitably you are going to have to ride out the lean times too.
 
T.nie I have been in the trucking industry for over 24 years and heard alot of alot of bullsh-- not trying to make you mad or get under your skin, but i find it hard to believe that a swift logistics a trucker earns $50,000.00 solo a year and trainer earns $72,000.00 a year. Thats far out there if they worked there 20 years or more they still wouldn't make that kind of money they are one of biggest cut throat trucking company in usa. They have to have one of the largest fleet of mexican drivers that don't even belong over here and no business driving a truck. There was a study did on them over a year ago about their accidents their drivers have. The study showed that every 7 days one of their trucks are involved in a fatal accident. Thats every 7 days. So that shows what kind of company they are and that reflects on how much their drivers make. I'm not saying that they are all bad drivers, but if they payed that kind of money u said they wouldn't have that kind of accident record.

All i can say is about these fuel and gas prices is call your congressman and governor and tell them about it. Let them know that you are unpleased with the prices becuase if we all set and back bi--- about it and don't act on this they won't do nothing but sit back and simply do nothing about it. They will be planning their next vacation on your tax money and say it was a business trip.
 
t.nie said:
Funny you should say that. My source was none other than... A Florissant police officer.:confused:
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He stated to me that the lowest payed cop on the force was 38 grand,and that the highest was 58 grand wich only a few have,,,the guys on the BEAT are in the medium level pay around 43 grand,,! ;) ;) by the way How did you do last night? hope you did well!!!
 
I will tell you the whole story when I see you Mike. I won't go into it on here.

As far as Swift, I don'f find that accident record unrealistic in the business they are in. And I don't think that reflects anything about the pay. But feel free to read into it whatever you want.
 
T,nie you have made some very good points. However, I think some will scale back, others will park it and just go watch. But to say that it won't hurt economy wise, I think it will. Sales taxes on the tickets, food and beer sales, auto parts, racing fuel whether it be alcohol, high octaine or just plain pump gas, tires and anthing else that it takes to get that car to the track. Yes it will make a difference all the way around not just at the track itself. Vendors and promoters a like. Lets hope that no track does have to close during this gas gouging fiasco, especially with all of the complaining neighbors that some tracks have. Once they close it might not be that easy to get it opened back up. Just food for thought.

Has anyone called their representives yet?

Momma Drew
 
How do gas prices affect racing? When people cut back on things such as entertainment, be it racing or whatever to prioritize their budget allowance, it hurts the ecomomy and the cycle goes round that's a fact.
 
Your rite!! Thats why Most of the tracks are barely getting by?? I herd Browns town had 1 or 2 races left?? Why would that be?? If the stands and pits are full?? OR ARE THEY?? Take a look around?? Count the fans and the cars on a reg. bases?? BUSH can kiss off!! Most of the tards that voted for him had to do so out of plain IGNORANCE!! EXample>> Just befor election" If you vote Bush in we will attack again"" Anyone paying attention knows what I'm talking about and who said it?? You think that was not reverse sycoligy??EXCUSE MY SPELLING ?? You know what most of the stubburn goobers said" He can't tell us who to vote for!! We will vote for Bush and show him!! Seemed to have worked didn't it?? Now look at the prices of almost every thing?? The working person is having one heck of a time surviveing!! So YES gas prices are hurting the tracks BAD!! Think about this?? What is a vigalanty?? We caught who we wanted ' But' yet we still are @ war?? Do you think BUSH really gives a crapp about the working person?? We need to concintrate on our country!! This war has shut down almost every thing around us!! w/ no help to us!! But' yet we still continue blowing up other places and putting them back together?? Who will put us back together when we have nothing left?? Just take a GOOD look around and think about it?? :mad:
t.nie said:
Fairy tale, Jeff? Gee, I remember the oil embargo back in the early 70's, people running around screaming how the entire country was going to grind to a halt, people would not be able to go to work, why, "The SKY WAS FALLING!!!!"

I remember when it was "Gas prices hit record highs! $1 a gallon or more by the end of the year!!!"

Now, roll forward thirty years, and here we have the same thing all over again.

Let's see Jeff. Maybe we can sit down a year from now and talk this over again. We'll see how many tracks have shut, how many racers have quit, we will assess the "damage" of gas prices on racing. Your prediction? "Racing will be over and done with, gas prices killed it." My prediction? "Gas prices won't affect anything, people will complain, racers will gripe, but the majority will still be at the track on the weekends, doing what they always have done."

Now, which sounds like a fairy tale to you?
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Hello, I am knew to stlracing but i have been around racing all my life. This has nothing to do with this topic just curious how to start a thread...maybe i'm just stupid but i cant locate it on the website.
 
Just click the (new thread) on the top of the page. That should do it?? :)
fear_the_oval said:
Hello, I am knew to stlracing but i have been around racing all my life. This has nothing to do with this topic just curious how to start a thread...maybe i'm just stupid but i cant locate it on the website.
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The only things that could help gas prices would be to open more refineries in the US, and start the Alaskan oil production back up, or to militarily force the OPEC nations to release more crude and refined fuel. Building refineries and inlarging existing ones takes a long time, forcing OPEC nations to sell more oil would be difficult and the librals would throw a fit. Alot of people make a living or part of their living from racing, those people will be hurt, those people will spend less and it will affect the economy more. Bush would get the price of gasoline dropped if he could, the so called rich drive more expensive cars and have to buy fuel for vehicles other than personal trasportation, and have to pay for having things trucked or shipped inorder to do buissiness. How in the hell do you think making it cost more to do buissiness would bennefit the conservitive base.
 
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