hey bleedblue

dirt hound said:
the EPA doesn't like it and neither does the tire manufactors
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Why would the tire manufacturer like it? It makes the tire last longer, therefore, you wouldn't need to buy as many. That's the only reason the manufacturer wouldn't like it, otherwise, what do they care? The EPA doesn't like anti-freeze, either!
 
What is the ump rule or claims in the mod class? Is there still a motor claim? Is there a shock claim? is there a tire claim? There should be on all three, and if people used the claim system the prices spent on racecars would be alot lower. JMO
Adam
 
seems other groups don't like it either duh???Someone's in trouble as Lucas Oil hands down some tire doping penalties after the Topless 100 and the North/South 100. Here's the official release:


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CORONA, CA (August 25, 2009) - Officials of the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series have determined that samples from a tire that John Mason used to qualify with at the North/South 100 at Florence Speedway in Union, KY had been chemically altered for use in the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series sanctioned event. Officials of the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series have also determined that samples from a tire that Chris Wall used to qualify with at the Topless 100 at Batesville Speedway in Batesville, AR had been chemically altered for use in the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series sanctioned event.

Results of the samples taken from the tire belonging to Mr. Mason were returned to the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series from an independent testing laboratory, stating that the tire was found to be chemically altered [PREPPED] to enhance the performance of the tire sometime prior to qualifying on August 7, 2009 at Florence Speedway.

The following penalties were handed down in accordance to the 2009 LOLMDS rulebook for anyone competing with a chemically altered tire during competition at a Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series sanctioned event. The North/South 100 at Florence Speedway on August 7th & 8th, 2009 was a sanctioned LOLMDS event with a contract and insurance in place at the time of this 1st occurrence. The Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series Rulebook States that for a 1st offense for the 2009 season: $1,500.00 Fine and 300 points plus any winnings that have accrued for the event, violator will assume all costs included in any testing procedures, no points and no winners circle money will be awarded for that event.

In total, Mr. Mason is being fined 300 points, plus the $1500 fine, $450 in lab testing fees, the $100 winnings for his start in the B-Main, for a total of $2,050.00 to be paid in full.

In the case of Mr. Wall, the results of the samples were returned to the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series from an independent testing laboratory, stating that the tire was found to be chemically altered [PREPPED] to enhance the performance of the tire sometime prior to qualifying on August 14, 2009 at Batesville Speedway.

The following penalties were handed down in accordance to the 2009 LOLMDS rulebook for anyone competing with a chemically altered tire during competition at a Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series sanctioned event. The Topless 100 in Batesville, AR on August 14 & 15, 2009 was a sanctioned LOLMDS event with a contract and insurance in place at the time of this 1st occurrence.

In total, Mr. Wall is being fined 300 points, plus the $1500 fine, $450 in lab testing fees, the $2,800 winnings for his 10th place finish in the 2009 Topless 100 for a total of $4,750.00 to be paid in full.

The portion of the fines made up of winnings from the North/South 100 for Mr. Mason and the winnings from the Topless 100 from Mr. Wall will be redistributed to the tracks and drivers finishing order from each respective event. Due to these disqualifications, the points from each event will be adjusted accordingly.The $1500 fine will be used to further enhance the tire testing program for the Lucas Oil Late Model Dirt Series



Read more: http://blogs.circletrack.com/6574266/editorials/tire-doping-penalties/index.html#ixzz1RMlAdU00
 
RACN911 said:
What is the ump rule or claims in the mod class? Is there still a motor claim? Is there a shock claim? is there a tire claim? There should be on all three, and if people used the claim system the prices spent on racecars would be alot lower. JMO
Adam
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Your right!!! Why ***** about tire cheaters,hen they are doing everything else. Like marty jr said they told him not to come back over his decking 2in to high,get ucking real Ump youve went to hell in a hand basket and are running **** like allied
 
I hope this nick fellow keeps doing what he does untill ump grows a set of alls and steps up to the plate. Tri city was warned friday that he was on his why there and they did nothing to stop him. they even let him in the gate with his tires and no pit pass.
 
when this thread dies down a bit, and slowly fades to back pages, maybe the 'tire policeman' could focus his energies on the "$2.50 for a cup of ice" scandal at one local track a week or so ago. that affected more spectators than this does.
 
UMP and Hoosier are a joke

Bottom line is Hoosier and UMP are in bed together...Hoosier charges to much for a tire,and they do not hold up as well as everyone in this post has said...Has UMP ever thought of trying going with a different tire manufacturer?...Hell no...know why...They get a hell of a kickback from hoosier every year...why try to improve a process...Bottom line UMP and World Racing Group are not doing nothing good for the sport...Lucas Oil have the best payouts...the best TV package(CBS)...the best drivers...The best travel money and most of the Crown Jewels on their schedule...THANK YOU Forrest Lucas for trying to improve dirt racing as a whole because Driggers and his Bosses are not doing DICK.
 
and guess what lucas runs hoosier also but guess has the big crown jewels the one everyone wants it ain't lucas
 
midget racer said:
when this thread dies down a bit, and slowly fades to back pages, maybe the 'tire policeman' could focus his energies on the "$2.50 for a cup of ice" scandal at one local track a week or so ago. that affected more spectators than this does.
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maybe if you went to the races midget raper you would know that was taking care of the next week. you are a idiot and so aint all you washed up family.
 
dirtboy said:
maybe if you went to the races midget raper you would know that was taking care of the next week. you are a idiot and so aint all you washed up family.
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i wish you would grow some b a l ls and meet me somewhere and say that to my face you fatass piece of sh*t.
 
blmrkorte fan said:
Bottom line is Hoosier and UMP are in bed together...Hoosier charges to much for a tire,and they do not hold up as well as everyone in this post has said...Has UMP ever thought of trying going with a different tire manufacturer?...Hell no...know why...They get a hell of a kickback from hoosier every year...why try to improve a process...Bottom line UMP and World Racing Group are not doing nothing good for the sport...Lucas Oil have the best payouts...the best TV package(CBS)...the best drivers...The best travel money and most of the Crown Jewels on their schedule...THANK YOU Forrest Lucas for trying to improve dirt racing as a whole because Driggers and his Bosses are not doing DICK.
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...They get a hell of a kickback from hoosier every year guess what they call that business gotta pahy the bills somehow and most other sanctioning bodies are doing the same thing with hoosier why do you think american racer had a lawsuit they didn't do their homework
 
All those fines and penalties for tire doping in years past did was make the people on the tire prep side up their game to stay in business. It just motivated them to get better.

This guy says he doesn't use anything on the EPA banned list to prep tires. He does what he does right out in the open and advertises. So I kind of doubt he's lying about that one, so I don't get any arguments about "EPA liability" at the tracks where these tires get used. That would be like just asking to lose your business, home, livelihood and go to jail for polluting the environment. Why would someone with that much to lose be doing all this out in the open and advertising it to the racing community, knowing full well that if someone gets busted with a tire he prepped and it does turn out to be in violation of the EPA, he not only has the full brunt of the racing community to deal with, but the EPA as well? Think that one through. His stuff is in all likelihood EPA legal.

Can't be detected? I would think he's probably right on that as well, seeing as how he flat out tells UMP what he does, they can buy his product or have a cooperative racer buy it for them and test it out, and yet looking at all this fuss, he's probably going to have his tires racing this coming weekend anyway. At UMP events. In this area.

UMP has brought this on themselves. It is pretty common fact that Hoosier tires don't last. Just look at the stacks of discarded tires at any mod/LM racers shop. Or just ask them. But of course, you have to race on whatever tire UMP tells you to race on, or don't race. So it's pretty natural for racers to look at the product available to them, and if there is something that can be done to save some money and use it longer, they are going to be open to it. He's just exploiting the quality/life of the product that is there, nothing more nothing less.

And one comment about being in the racing "media." If you want people to talk to you, talk openly around you, allow you to see inside their haulers, under their hoods or anywhere near their racing operations, there is one golden rule; you never talk about what you see, to anyone, anywhere, for any reason. You will fast lose your welcome among many racers if you do.

I know this for a fact. I have seen, heard plenty writing stories and putting people through tech. I've never uttered a word. You have to know that the only way you can be successful and welcome as a member of the media is by knowing how to keep your eyes open and mouth closed in the pits. Once word gets out that you talk openly about everything you see/hear, you will still be welcome in the pits. But many people will be wary, because all racers have their secrets, whether they are cheating or not. Open your mouth about one thing, it will pretty much be assumed you can't be trusted at all about anything. Who knows what you will be telling people next. And that will be the end of your welcome with most.

Especially when you are walking around with a camera, and a long lens.
 
midget racer said:
when this thread dies down a bit, and slowly fades to back pages, maybe the 'tire policeman' could focus his energies on the "$2.50 for a cup of ice" scandal at one local track a week or so ago. that affected more spectators than this does.
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Your right midget racer Tammy said she would get back to me and she hasnt done it yet. They ran last friday and this is Wed. I guess she doesnt want to face the music that Tri-City was screwing people just for a cup of ice.
 
i dont really 'get' what all the talk is about epa. take a look at most any racetrack at the end of the night's racing. all that black out there is rubber ground into the dirt. rubber is full of chemicals; read that petroleum, oil, and petroleum by-products;even that brand new hoosier straight off the truck, with no alterations done to it.all those chemicals are contaminating the soil. a tire is not a natural, biodegradeable product. whatever tire treatment (if any) is a drop in the bucket compared to the stuff ground into the dirt.. in my book, tire treatment contamination is a very weak argument.
 
dirt hound said:
if the rule book says its illegal it is doesn't matter what hoosier EPA or joe blow says
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No disrespect, however, you are the one who keeps quoting "epa, hoosier, and joe blow."

The rule book says MANY things are illegal, however, my guess is you would be hard pressed to find one COMPLETELY legal car. Chances are something is illegal.
 
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