Smoking Ban Jan 1,2007

JMO but i think this law is a big scam.
I think what is going to happen is our fair govenor is going to take this law and turn around and sell "special permits" starting probably July 2007 or somewhere there abouts. that basically allows some facilities to be "smoke zones" or something like that. I think this is a ploy to extract more funds from business owners and citizens of the state so he can keep feeding funds to his cronies up in chi-town.
 
PITDRIFTER said:
I Don't Think There Should Be A Ban In Bars. If You Don't Like The Smoke, Go Get Drunk Somewhere Else!
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You could just as easily say "if you don't like smokeless air, go get drunk somewhere else!"

The one thing that occurred to me when I read your statement was that people don't get cancer from second-hand alcohol.

I don't think this was something the state should have gotten involved in. I think individual business owners should make this decision themselves.
 
I'm not a smoker ether but I would like to no if this no smoking law starting in Jan. Is just for inside businesses or is out side businesses also affected by this law ?
 
" OUCH " Debbie ...... :(

Look at it this way guess I will have to bring another bottle of juice to keep my hands busy. So if you see me with 2 drinking cups it's because one of the drinks is my cigarette :D And I am sorry to say the drinking cups with the Hans Device I had last year has shot craps ( RIP ). But I will have the seat belts as usual on the cups........
 
Study: Smoking ban hurts sales

Study: Smoking ban hurts sales
Federal Reserve report cites 5 percent decline.


By KAT HUGHES of the Tribune’s staff
Published Wednesday, December 12, 2007
Columbia’s dining establishments have seen about a 5 percent average decrease in sales since the local smoking ban took effect Jan. 9, according to a new report that studied the economic impact of the ban in its first seven months.




The report was conducted by Michael Pakko, a research officer and economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. He examined monthly sales-tax revenues for bars and restaurants from January 2001 to July 2007 to see if the smoking ban had an impact.

In his report, Pakko said he found a 5 percent downturn in dining-tax revenue associated with the smoking ban, independent of other variables such as seasonality, an overall downturn in retails sales and an unusually harsh winter. In his study, Pakko said, he looked at patterns associated with each of these factors’ influence on sales-tax receipts and was able to isolate the smoking ban as the cause of the decrease in dining sales.

In addition to analyzing sales-tax receipts, Pakko studied Columbia newspaper articles about the ban as well as reports on the subject from other areas of the country.





Pakko said the 5 percent decrease is an average; some business might be unaffected by the smoking ban while others might have suffered greater losses. "Anecdotal reports from specific business owners suggesting losses in the range of 30 percent do not seem unreasonable," Pakko said in his report.

Pakko added, however, that his findings are preliminary with only seven months of data since the implementation. He said it’s possible the decrease in bar and restaurant business is associated with some factor not considered in his analysis. Pakko cited an example of a study he did of Maryville, where dining revenues increased substantially after a smoking ban; he found the boom was caused by an Applebee’s Neighborhood Grill and Bar opening in the town.

"I don’t want to go too far with these findings considering the data is from such a limited period of time," Pakko said. "But I tried to be very careful in trying to account for factors that might have been the cause for the downturn other than the smoking ban."

Citing the ill-effects of second-hand smoke, the Columbia City Council more than a year ago voted 4-3 to ban smoking in most public places. Bar and restaurant owners who thought a ban would hurt their businesses fought the proposal and wanted the issue put to a citywide vote.

Tiger Club owner Betty Hamilton and Joel Thiel, co-owner of Otto’s Corner Bar & Grill, filed a petition in November to repeal the smoking ban, but the effort failed because of too few signatures. Last month, Hamilton and Thiel said they would go before the city council to ask that it put the smoking ban on the April ballot.

Hamilton said she was glad someone studied the issue but was unsure what the next step is for those who want to see the smoking ban put on a future ballot. "I don’t know what we’re going to do right now," she said. "Joel and I have some things in the works, but I can’t talk about them right now."

Mayor Darwin Hindman said he acknowledges the report comes from a reputable source, but he doesn’t think it conforms with other studies he has seen on the issue.

Hindman said the report does not change the fact that smoking adversely affects health. That cost, he said, is not included in the report. "To me, the important thing is we’re charged as a government with the health and welfare of the community," Hindman said. "And where you have a conduct that is known without any question to cause harm to other people, including patrons and employees, that trumps the economic factor.
 
You guys are over reacting, they'll still smoke in bars, just more descretely.
It has been that way for over 10 years out here, now they are talking about if you are caught smoking in your car with your children inside it could be considered child endangerment.

I quit smoking 10 years ago after 20 years of 2 packs a day, and I became one of those people I used to hate as a smoker.

I can smell it on my clothes, hair etc. it is amazing I can even walk by a car in the parking lot and smell a heavy smokers car.

I find it funny that I used to crack the window an inch to light up and think that the others wouldn't even notice.
 
the point i was trying to make QWAYNICK is that they allow you to walk in a bar knowing what you are going in there for and then drive home.we all know what drunk driving does.nobody can sit here and tell me you walk in a bar and take one drink and leave.it doesnt happen.especially on the weekends. it doesnt matter to me either way because i dont smoke that much and have almost stopped completly. its crazy thats all.
 
t.nie said:
You could just as easily say "if you don't like smokeless air, go get drunk somewhere else!"

I don't think this was something the state should have gotten involved in. I think individual business owners should make this decision themselves.
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ITS HARD TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHEN THEY BAN IT EVERYWHERE!

THE 2ND PART OF YOUR POST I AGREE WITH. I COULD ALSO RESPECT THESE TYPES OF DECISOINS IF THESE STATES WEREN'T SO EAGER TO TAKE THE TAXES AND SUCH FROM CIGARETTE SALES.
 
nobody can sit here and tell me you walk in a bar and take one drink and leave.it doesnt happen.

Thats were you are wrong!!! I do it almost every time I go to a bar.DON'T NEED TO LOOSE MY LISC>
Crate51 said:
the point i was trying to make QWAYNICK is that they allow you to walk in a bar knowing what you are going in there for and then drive home.we all know what drunk driving does.nobody can sit here and tell me you walk in a bar and take one drink and leave.it doesnt happen.especially on the weekends. it doesnt matter to me either way because i dont smoke that much and have almost stopped completly. its crazy thats all.
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Heres a new flash this has already taken place in Columbia, Mo. Several business's that have been around for over 25 years...Have up and left town because it has cut into their profilts...The same business's that provede jobs to people in that city. So what next? This year it's fifteen feet you must be from a structure, next year 20 feet. When does it stop. Im not saying ALL...Again Im not saying ALL. But some of the same people that complain about cigarette smoke, are the same ones that leave a bar after they have had ten drinks. Now when they get in their car and proceed to drive home, isnt that jeopordizing EVERYONES health? I myself smoke. I know it's a nasty habit, I know it's bad for you. I know im also trying to quit. So I do understand those who don't like to breath the smoke...But isn't this the same state thats DEMANDS you buckle up, then if you decide to you can wear a helmet to operate a motorcycle...I think the State of Illinois should start in other places to preserve life. Just my opinion...


inTENSE said:
The SMOKE FREE ILLINOIS ACTtakes effect on January 1, 2008. Here are a few highlights you should know:
No person shall smoke in a public place or in any place of employment or within 15 feet of any entrance to a public place or place of employment. This includes 15 feet from entrances, exits, windows that open and ventilation intakes.
“Smoking” means the carrying, smoking, burning, inhaling, or exhaling of any kind of lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette, hookah, weed, herbs, or any other lighted smoking equipment.
“No Smoking” signs or the international “No Smoking” symbol shall be clearly and conspicuously posted in each public place and place of employment where smoking is prohibited.
Each public place and place of employment where smoking is prohibited shall have posted at every entrance a conspicuous sign clearly stating that smoking is prohibited.
All ashtrays shall be removed from any area where smoking is prohibited.
Violations:
oA person who smokes in an area where smoking is prohibited shall be fined in an amount that is not less than $100 and not more than $250.
oA person who owns, operates or otherwise controls a public place or place of employment that violates this Act shall be fined not less than $250 for the first violation, not less than $500 for the second violation within one year after the first violation, and not less than $2,500 for each additional violation within one year after the first violation.
oEach day that a violation occurs is a separate violation.

Go to this website for the full text of the Act... http://http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=095-0017&GA=095.
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hmmmm.....
Bloomington-Normal IL went through this whole thing a year ago.....
The businesses DID suffer, restaurants, etc for the first 3 months. Since then, they have not only rebounded, but are far exceeding numbers from one year ago..... seems for some reason that MOST people LIKE being able to eat a meal without having to breathe in someone else's smoke. Go figure:eek:
 
I'll make a deal with the smokers. If you agree not to smoke in the same room with me, I will agree not to fart in the same room with you.

But lets look at this a little more realistically. I have a right to breathe smokefree air. Smokers have a right to smoke. However, the smokers right to smoke should not cause harm to anyone else. The Bill of Rights gives Americans the rights we have. But it does not give us the right to harm others in pursuit of those rights.

If I were on a ventilator, or alergic to cigarette smoke (which some people are) are my rights to breathe clean smoke-free air the same as a smokers rights to smoke? Of course they are. I have the same right to pursue happiness by going to a smoke free restaraunt that will not cause an alergic reaction or harm to me, as the smoker who thinks his happiness comes from lighting up before, during or after dinner. The difference is, my pursuing happiness is not causing the smoker any harm.

king
 
The way I see it if the business is only dropping by 5% as was posted on an earlier link then they should be glad that cancer isn't killing more smokers cause they'd really have a problem with business then. Illinois is going to be a different beast than Columbia. It's a State wild issue and not just a City issue. Where will the businesses move to? Are you saying that the whole State is going to go out of business just cause people can't smoke in a building? If that's the case then smoking is a worse addiction than we first thought!
 
bolo said:
Thats were you are wrong!!! I do it almost every time I go to a bar.DON'T NEED TO LOOSE MY LISC>
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ALMOST EVERY TIME? I got 3 DWI's before I almost just had one. It don't happen. I quit drinking after 35 years so I know you can't say that. Not bashing you, just proving a point. :D You WILL lose your lisc> before it's all over. Please be carfull.....
Smoking? Your (everyone that smokes) will keep on smoking so everyone calm down. I bet you got a but in your mouth right now.:eek:
 
put your money were your mouth is??

I would love for you to follow me and see!!! Just wish you was a fly on the waLL!! what a shock you would have>> IF YOU REALLY BELEIVE THAT I DRINK MORE THAN THAT??:) AS FAR AS SMOKE>> I do not>> never have!!
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ALMOST EVERY TIME? I got 3 DWI's before I almost just had one. It don't happen. I quit drinking after 35 years so I know you can't say that. Not bashing you, just proving a point. :D You WILL lose your lisc> before it's all over. Please be carfull.....
Smoking? Your (everyone that smokes) will keep on smoking so everyone calm down. I bet you got a but in your mouth right now.:eek:
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:)Like I said Im not bashing you. I hope thats true. Please be carefull I droped my gard and got busted. I cant stop at 1 so I had to quit. Would love to have one right now but I not. Stay warm. By the way how much snow do you have? 5 inches here right now.:)
 
That's cool. No I really drink very little.Yr's ago I drank to much wiskie.Tore my kitchen apart.That put the stops to any major drinking. When I do go out. I may drink 1 then switch to NA or coke. NO PROB. for me. But , never was a heavy drinker. Were are you located?? Think we have around 5" of the white stuff our selves.Still coming down!!
bryanracing55 said:
:)Like I said Im not bashing you. I hope thats true. Please be careful I droped my gard and got busted. I cant stop at 1 so I had to quit. Would love to have one right now but I not. Stay warm. By the way how much snow do you have? 5 inches here right now.:)
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I own a bar in a small town in Illinois. I tended bar 10 years before I bought it and have owned it for 5 1/2 years. Everything I have is invested in it; years of seven days a week, 24 hours on the mind and I have built some equity. No one knew this was coming anytime soon and I, as well as many friends of mine that own taverns, are plain scared. It all might just blow away in a puff of smoke (pun intended).
Are there risks to any business? Of course there are. I'm not whining, crying or moaning. What happens will happen and we all will try to adapt. But don't tell me it won't hurt. Ask Springfield, IL. When they passed a city ordinance against smoking, people flocked outside the limits and to surrounding towns. Many People (that's right people just like you) lost their jobs; some lost their business. Some of the bigger clubs in bigger cities will thrive and politicians will use their success as talking points, taking the smoke out of our mouth and blowing it right back up our.......yeah.
Where this will hurt the most are small timers in small towns with a hefty amount of blue collar workers that are predominatly smokers. That would be most of Illinois south of Chicago, with a few exceptions. I know I am farting in the wind here, but please don't come on here and make this argument trivial. For some of us, it's all we have ever known and it may soon be gone.
Oh well, We'll always have the track, right? But don't be surprised if the tracks are soon covered under the ban as well. They'll tell us it's for our own good (nevermind that we are already breathing carbon monoxide from the cars as well as dust and dirt) because second hand smoke causes cancer. Guess what, living causes cancer and Big Brother wants to make sure we don't live our lives unless it's according to their plan. Sorry, that's enough ranting. Hope it all blows over and finds us all still standing. Believe me, I hope I am just being defeatist, but I doubt it.
In the meantine, see you all at the track. I'll be sure to give you a light if you need one.

Thanks for your time,
Steve Wilson
Willie's 109 West
Carlinville, IL
 
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