Before We Begin Again In 08:
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Yes i hear voices but thats only when i dont take my medication but im talking about the people calling me and the im's they just dont want to get on here because they know it would be a lost cause talking to you guys. Im still trying to convince them to go back to stock but its not easy but i will keep you informed Jack
It would not be a lost cause, if people get on here and say they want the rules more open then it is a new ballgame but right now it is everyone in agreement. We all want this and are standing up for what we want, why will no one get on here and say they liked this years rules. Tell them to PM me and I will layoff a bit. I have had many conversations through PM's even with your brother and I never take what is PM'ed to me and put it out for everyone else to see.
I think Duck was right when he just gave up. THat would be great if you would help the rules go back to what they were but I think you just like to argue Jim. Everytime someone makes a ligitement comment you twist the thread around to a different angle to argue. I should have remembered last year when everyone was complaining about your Ford rear end. I got on here and defended you and you wanted to argue with me anyway.
I think Duck was right when he just gave up. THat would be great if you would help the rules go back to what they were but I think you just like to argue Jim. Everytime someone makes a ligitement comment you twist the thread around to a different angle to argue. I should have remembered last year when everyone was complaining about your Ford rear end. I got on here and defended you and you wanted to argue with me anyway.
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Originally Posted by kslle
a big THANK YOU is indeed in order. its people like this that make this class a "class" act.
raced at 3 diffrent tracks an the core of racers at MCS are most outstanding of all in the Ministocks.
I dont twist it around i just look at it in a reasonable way like the different stroke crank and weight of rods if you cant check them why even have them in the rules. Even ED said there should be different rules for the pushrod and the camers. But no one ever put there input in on that. Im looking out for the chevy i want it more equal i will say porting allowed for chevy but not ford that way if you want to spend the money you can or if not you just put a ford in it. It will be your choice
Jack no they dont get a break because they are all pushrod motors, but in the 4 cyl class they are camers.
For the record I never tried or said ported and polished heads were ok. Maybe you’re confused with 1 of the geniuses that said a SD head came ported and polished!!!!!! If you know what ported and polished means then you’re smart enough to know a SD head does not come that way out of the box. Now it has way bigger ports then a stock head (the whole point) but that doesn’t make a port and polish job.
Everytime I went on the track I knew my car or truck was legal within the rules by what was in BLACK & WHITE, not the gray area. I was always honest with my equipment and hope my competion was the same. If I won I took pride knowing I did it within those rules and not by running something not allowed just because I knew it wouldn't get TECHED!
As far as the Hubcap & Wheel Store shorten race, I too believe it was a good show, especially when I was standing holding the BIG TROPHY in Victory Lane. Jealous Envy Jim? Knowing that I was able to win with my DRR legal truck without spending $$$ such as you to win against Wolf!
As far as my input on rules being STUPID (post #139), I thought we were all adults here. I will try to go slow so everyone can understand.
You asked:
#2 How will you tell what crank is in it?
That's why tech would do a cylinder volume check on the top 5 to measure Bore & Stroke at random or weekly. Tech would already have info on the volume of stock stroke and max bore and anything over that would be deemed illegal.
#3 What are you going to take your motor apart to weigh your rods?
15lb. vacuum rule would make it pointless to spend more for light weight rods (you won't get any lighter than stock 2.5s and live & the Ford rods are strong enough for the SVO turbo 2.3 and high RPMs ) RPMs will be limited due to cam profile to meet vacuum rule. Asked Shannon he had to change his cam to meet DRR 15lb. vacuum rule.
#10 & #11 I would hope they get it FREE if it's useless & illegal !
#12 If Ford 9" rearend allowed in all makes was in the rules, there would be no reason to guestion it. Was it in the rules when yours was question? How about that ADJUSTABLE SLIDER BLOCK you had attaching the rearend to the springs? Why would someone place a tarp on the bed of their truck after they saw me look if it if they felt they where legal?
Enough said, If everyone took pride in knowing that they WON and that it was due to their driving skill and not because they had to use cheater parts because they knew it wouldn't get checked or they had time & $$$ to watch Ebay for the very few Super-Duty deals the Mini-Stock class would be better off.
Martin Boyer
As far as the Hubcap & Wheel Store shorten race, I too believe it was a good show, especially when I was standing holding the BIG TROPHY in Victory Lane. Jealous Envy Jim? Knowing that I was able to win with my DRR legal truck without spending $$$ such as you to win against Wolf!
As far as my input on rules being STUPID (post #139), I thought we were all adults here. I will try to go slow so everyone can understand.
You asked:
#2 How will you tell what crank is in it?
That's why tech would do a cylinder volume check on the top 5 to measure Bore & Stroke at random or weekly. Tech would already have info on the volume of stock stroke and max bore and anything over that would be deemed illegal.
#3 What are you going to take your motor apart to weigh your rods?
15lb. vacuum rule would make it pointless to spend more for light weight rods (you won't get any lighter than stock 2.5s and live & the Ford rods are strong enough for the SVO turbo 2.3 and high RPMs ) RPMs will be limited due to cam profile to meet vacuum rule. Asked Shannon he had to change his cam to meet DRR 15lb. vacuum rule.
#10 & #11 I would hope they get it FREE if it's useless & illegal !
#12 If Ford 9" rearend allowed in all makes was in the rules, there would be no reason to guestion it. Was it in the rules when yours was question? How about that ADJUSTABLE SLIDER BLOCK you had attaching the rearend to the springs? Why would someone place a tarp on the bed of their truck after they saw me look if it if they felt they where legal?
Enough said, If everyone took pride in knowing that they WON and that it was due to their driving skill and not because they had to use cheater parts because they knew it wouldn't get checked or they had time & $$$ to watch Ebay for the very few Super-Duty deals the Mini-Stock class would be better off.
Martin Boyer
Then who wanted this porting and polishing rule??? I went to a rules committee meeting (supposedly requested by Mel) with 5 people last year to plead my case and they agreed that allowing porting and polishing would not be the right way to go for this class. (One of them was suppose to tech our cars this year) Then the rules come out that porting and polishing is OK. Was this to increase car count? If it was I doubt there were many people that came this year because of this rule but I do know a few that did not come because of this rule. If it weren’t for the big money race at the end the car count would not have been any better this year than last.
Jealous not at all i didnt even drive in that race, pluse i was just starting out was still trying to figure things out How long had you been racing? You beat a rookie WOW thats impresive go on and brag about it, but if that race went the full amount of laps wolf would of won he was putting on a show for the crowd.
This track is treating us like all the other classes there like everyone wanted but now everyone wants to be treated different they do the same teching in all them they dont do any volume teching or vacume test.
The rearend was legal it was a stock rearend the rules never said it had to be ford to ford or chevy to chevy. There were no slider on my truck the tarp was put on there just to mess with you guys and it did, look you are still talking about it. Just like all this talk about a head people shouldnt talk about stuff they have never seen.
The more people brag about being legal are the ones that are cheating like you were. What do you think you are the only one who knows how to make a chevy run?
I will personnally have to say that the truck Marty Boyer raced was teched several times at Doe Run Raceway and was found to be LEGAL every time. Marty's truck was one of the best handling trucks or cars around. As far as Wolf being a rookie that Marty passed for the win that is one of the caziest things I have heard and he was counting laps to make his come back. I will have to agree with some of Marty's rule with the exception of vaccumn rule and wheel width. And yes I have been involved with the RAMS to see different rules that have been allowed over the years. The 9" rearend rule is one that I have tried to get put into the rules for years and it has been turned down until MCS rules allowed it. We have had other DRR legal cars/ trucks come to MCS and be very competitive or win features. This statement just goes back to show that big horsepower does bot always insure that a win is going to be easy. Our car counts in this area are low due to 2 tracks racing minis on Fridays or we would have 15-18 cars running on lesser rules. As long as The Rock continues to race minis I personnally believe that this is only hurting the class in general. NO one wants to build a mini when their are only 6-8 of them at a track. Another statement was that the mini stocks are a beginner class, NO , they are are supposed to be an economical/ inexpensive class of 4 cylinders. No I don't race one and I will try everything to save this class and try to see that it is here for years to come. The minis teach a driver to be smooth due to lack of horsepower and helps them whenever they decide to move up a class.........Sorry about the book and nonproper paragraphs.....
Thanks Kenny for verifying the legality my truck.
As far as the 8" wheel, I'm sorry I didn't explain 8" min. steel only.
DRR Rule: #17 Racing rubber only. Minimum 8" steel wheel, must run 45 compound tire on all 4 tires. (no grooving, no siping, this I wouldn't incorperate because it cost nothing to do or cause a safety issue).
15lb vacuum @ 1,000 RPMs rule, ( I thought was your idea Kenny, I most have thought wrong on that) I like it because it limits how big of a cam you can run which also helps limit the RPMs you'll need for the power band. If you can limit the RPMs turned there is less reason to cheat and use a illegal bottom end.
P.S. Jim for you info I believe the WOlf and I started dirt racing the same season.
Marty Boyer
As far as the 8" wheel, I'm sorry I didn't explain 8" min. steel only.
DRR Rule: #17 Racing rubber only. Minimum 8" steel wheel, must run 45 compound tire on all 4 tires. (no grooving, no siping, this I wouldn't incorperate because it cost nothing to do or cause a safety issue).
15lb vacuum @ 1,000 RPMs rule, ( I thought was your idea Kenny, I most have thought wrong on that) I like it because it limits how big of a cam you can run which also helps limit the RPMs you'll need for the power band. If you can limit the RPMs turned there is less reason to cheat and use a illegal bottom end.
P.S. Jim for you info I believe the WOlf and I started dirt racing the same season.
Marty Boyer
I think you forgot to take your medicine again Jim. I still have heard from no one about wanting porting in polishing.
There has been one amazing turn of events though. Good old SmokinJoe has honored us with a post on this thread. And do I need glasses or did he say "For the record I never tried or said ported and polished heads were ok"
If someone bought or had a head ported and polished this year and they don't want to get rid of it they really should not be afraid to say that. I can not speak for others but that would be a justifiable reason to want the rule left in for 08. If no one is stating that (besides the voices in Jim's head) I see no reason that it needs to be left in. In the end it is up to Mel anyway but if everyone is on the same side of this discussion and he would pick up a few drivers from down south I see no reason why he would not change that rule.
There has been one amazing turn of events though. Good old SmokinJoe has honored us with a post on this thread. And do I need glasses or did he say "For the record I never tried or said ported and polished heads were ok"
If someone bought or had a head ported and polished this year and they don't want to get rid of it they really should not be afraid to say that. I can not speak for others but that would be a justifiable reason to want the rule left in for 08. If no one is stating that (besides the voices in Jim's head) I see no reason that it needs to be left in. In the end it is up to Mel anyway but if everyone is on the same side of this discussion and he would pick up a few drivers from down south I see no reason why he would not change that rule.
The rule of no grooving or siping needs to be removed. We noticed this year the the vaccumn rule only made several cars faster , but the cost of the smaller vaccumn cams made the cost on cams a little more. As soon as we get on the rules for minis I believe we will allow any STEEL aftermarket rod, no porting or polishing of the head (gasket matching is porting), eliminate the vaccumn rule, and plug in side of pan will be optional ( if your turn comes up for inspection and you don't have a plug you will have to remove oil pan, plug can be an aftermarket drain plug). Marty it is time for you to build another and come back to play................LOL
Kenny, just don't put that 2" plug in the rules. I could never get mine to stop leaking.
It would be great if MCS and DRR would have the same rules. I truly belive that having the same rules for this area will only help this class expand. Maybe you all could include Mel in on this rules sesion.
It would be great if MCS and DRR would have the same rules. I truly belive that having the same rules for this area will only help this class expand. Maybe you all could include Mel in on this rules sesion.
Kenny, If after any steel aftermarket rods are allowed ( which if I was racing I would be ok with), why is a insp. plug needed? I always had some kind of a leak issue with mine no matter what I tried. Besides even with the stock rod rule mine was never removed by anyone but me to try to get it to stop leaking!
Marty Boyer
Marty Boyer
