Kentucky Lake making the decision to cut pay after August 1

JMO from a business owners viewpoint. And not pointing fingers directly at any track. I don't know the intricate details of any of the tracks in question. But I do know what I overhear from those who compete and spectate and what I have observed at a few of the failures.

Inconsistent ownership and management (too many different owners/promoters over the last few years). Poor track conditions/facilities due to being idle for years. No clear-cut re-opening or season plans.(too many people publishing what they think the track is going to do with no-one actually knowing). Unpublished, inconsistent, non- guaranteed, unbalanced payouts. No communication, enforcement or consistency in regards to rules or tech. Sloppy or late running program. Not enough TRAINED track workers who know their jobs (and do them in a professional manner) Gouging at the back gate. And all to often the "I don't need the drivers" attitude. You have to make every driver feel important EVERY WEEK. And lastly, lack of planning...( you can't try to throw everything together at the last minute! Publish your plans well in advance of the season so teams can make their plans for the year!)

Dirthound hit the nail on the head earlier. Reputation goes a long way. It takes about 2 weeks to get a bad one, and about 5 years to get rid of one. Run your track like it's a Mongolian Clusterf*ck and that's what you'll wind up with.

I know this isn't where the original post was headed, but If I were a promoter opening a new track or trying to revive my failing track, I would try to obtain addresses or phone numbers from all the drivers I could within 200 miles of my track and send a direct communique detailing what our plans were and offering them any enticement I could afford to get a commitment from them. And then I would stick to my game-plan regardless of what it took to do so! I would also direct mail the market area with spectator coupons and ads. Too many new owners/promoters get into the game with not enough bank or promotional knowledge to do the things necessary to succeed. If you can't afford to lose money (or at best break-even) for the first 3 years, you shouldn't be in operation (this is true of just about any new business). Unfortunately, their failings have became the norm. Disappointing their performers and audience on a regular basis especially in those critical first few weeks of a season causes their demise. More-so when the lack of success leads them to a lack of consistency in their operations. No one wants to compete or visit a wishy-washy establishment. And it doesn't help when your sanctioning body is absent and loosing respect either.
 
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Lotta things are going on cheating the tires up no tech or lack there of a tech mans job Is to keep the competition as equal as possible that means tearing guys down like the old days tear down a few of these guys and guess what problems like cheating go away nobody wants to be labeled a cheater but they will do what it takes to win
 
Cheating will never end. But weekly, consistent, and fair tech on specific motor, chassis, and body rules would go a long way, if the punishment has some teeth to it. Tire doping will never go away, and will never be police-able. I honestly think the so called "un-detectable" really is just that. I've seen too many pass the lab tests that shouldn't have. And as much as I hate to say it, they should just make it legal and be done with it. (that should stir the pot) Testing is just too expensive and cheaters will always claim conspiracy because of the lack of transparency in the procedure. And the chemists will always be a step ahead.

A lot of racers have become frustrated with the cheating and given up. And a lot of racers can't afford to race and have given up. Lots of factors in the answer to the original posts question.
 
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I agree to a point about racers doing this to themselves.. The ones with money I should say.. It's crazy what some of these guys spend on chassis & motors... UMP adjusting rules also sucks especially with the tire issue.. I wish they would go with 1 tire and that's it... Let them decide which one and go with it.. When a racer can sell his used chassis for $20,000+ that's ridiculous.. UMP can make it easier on a lot of lower budget guys with the tire rule.. Give it time and the B mods class will be where the mod guys are..


Who is selling a "Used" modified for $20,000 if you know anyone who will buy a used modified for that price send them my way I will sell a shit load of car's for that price, and some for less even. LOL
 
Who is selling a "Used" modified for $20,000 if you know anyone who will buy a used modified for that price send them my way I will sell a shit load of car's for that price, and some for less even. LOL
Ever looked at racingjunk? They're all over. Right now Austin Theiss has his USED MB Customs mod, ROLLER for sale for 38k, 58k turn key with a Mullins USMTS spec engine. It's out of hand, Just imagine what that would cost new....
 
I'm pretty sure David Stremme sold his modified for some pretty righteous bucks, after winning one night down at Volusia this winter. With motor I think it was rumored to be $60K???
 
but what is leading UMP point s its not MB custom or MBR is it and thanks king eddy,some tracks try to hard that just came on the scene in the last couple of years here is another question how many local drivers from a track take the night off or find another track when a special race is scheduled
 
The Mason family that run Paducah really try hard, they do a great job down there! Not saying anything bout here cause Gundaker has the premier deal going in STL but the guys that are cheating are usually the ones that suck at what there trying to accomplish and run in the back anyway, and 2 car counts are down do to cost plan and simple, most drivers buy there speed they don't build it anymore, that's our society now! JMO
 
Like I said in a previous thread times have changed and I don't think it's ever going to get better. Unless there are some sweeping changes. The cost has gotten out of hand but, the racers and the tracks are to blame for that. Yes ump has not helped the situation but, if you are going to wait them to do so you can forget it.

Here is what I see happening in the near future. You are going to see tracks close and not reopen. You are going to have just a handful of tracks in your area running on a weekly basis and you might see some tracks run special shows only. I'm not sure that will even work but, some will try it.

You are going to see some classes go by the way side and you will probably get down to 3 classes in the near future just like the old days.

For tracks to really make it worth their while they need to be charging $15.00 to get in on a weekly show but, the fans will refuse to pay it.

The drivers need to get paid more for their winnings but, the promoters can't afford to pay it so, really where are we in this sport, it cost to much, promoters can't charge what they need to and the promoters can't pay what the drivers really need to keep going and make it worth their while.

From my advantage point it don't look good for the sport in the near future, Now this is just my opinion.
 
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I looked at oak shade, 4 different dates and all but the compacts has 20 every night it seems. They seem to being doing really well. i guess they draw cars and crowds from toledo a little bit or is that too far? other wise its pretty much out in the middle of no where. Saint louis could do that if they catered to the scene. Maybe run LM, combine the modified classes, a street stock/bombers class and pro 4?

In the immediate STL area, you have/had belleville friday and Tri city. Those 2 compete and draw cars from each other as they are so close 30 minutes. Then saturdays highland and i55 which draw probably less from each other due to the distant between them 1 hour. but still close plus browns town is not too far 1 hour or so.

I think the tracks in the area have to work together to stagger out classes and not overlap. In STL the classes that run pretty regularly are Midgets, Micros, Street Stocks, A mod, B mod, Late model, Pro 4 and sportsman. Thats 8 classes. 2 tracks running the same night could split the classes and drivers and alternate weekly. But that doesn't cut down on class count.

The A mods and B mods normally pull 18-25 cars a night a piece at tracks. Imagine if the combined. Naturally some would step up to a Late model and some may step down to the next lower class. Say an average of 20 cars per night per class. say combining them causes 25% to change class but the remainder stay in the modified class. That would make a 30 car per night class and add 5 cars to the other 2. making average LM counts 22-27 ish and SS 15-20?

What % of modified guys are die hard UMP points guys? and late model? just curious.
 
that is UMP track look at there bomber rules which is where your new sportsman drivers and late model drivers come from ,plus no gimmicks front gate or back gate , there are plenty of lates around just they don't show up the same night
 
that is UMP track look at there bomber rules which is where your new sportsman drivers and late model drivers come from ,plus no gimmicks front gate or back gate , there are plenty of lates around just they don't show up the same night


Ill have to go look, i didn't read into any of the class rule.
 
no they need to be charging the same for every show look at oakshaderaceway they charge the same for every show with 4 classes the same 4 classes for years but even there the car count dropped in the bombers now they are only getting 55 bombers they use to get 120 and tell me why a couple IMCA tracks closed early this year http://oakshaderaceway.com/track-information/admission-prices/ http://oakshaderaceway.com/newsresults/detailed-results/

Just because something works at one track does or mean it will work at another.
 
Or tracks run big shows on the same night. Like here in Ohio we had two tracks running 45min apart. One track paid Modifieds $3,000 to win and $25 to enter which resulted in 39 cars. The other track paid $2,000 and $35 to enter and only had 21 cars.
 
Just because something works at one track does or mean it will work at another.
The point is they have 4 classes on a graduating level they charge the same no matter what evening it is hint hint no get to the gate with any surprises not having 2 or three classes that are very close in speed the only thing different is the looks
 
Or tracks run big shows on the same night. Like here in Ohio we had two tracks running 45min apart. One track paid Modifieds $3,000 to win and $25 to enter which resulted in 39 cars. The other track paid $2,000 and $35 to enter and only had 21 cars.
notice entry fees again
 




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