Street stock tech!

Racin90 yes they are moving the mounts on the front end but im not sure why when they can achieve the same thing with running different parts. The rules says must be O.EM and Chevy to Chevy and Ford to Ford, it doesn't say it has to be for the particular car it just says O.E.M. So that leads to being knowledge on what parts for what cars to use.
 
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Racin90 yes they are moving the mounts on the front end but im not sure why when they can achieve the same thing with running different parts. The rules says must be O.EM and Chevy to Chevy and Ford to Ford, it doesn't say it has to be for the particular car it just says O.E.M. So that leads to being knowledge on what parts for what cars to use.
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Oh i agree! It was a practice done for awhile actually to cut the lf brackets and move them out. Heck car i had were already done and i didnt know it really till i reclipped it and realized the difference
 
I guess I am not really understanding the attraction of street tires based on the comment "we could run the same ones all year unless we cut one." Well, if that was what you were doing, you weren't winning any races back then, either. I remember Mastercraft Avengers being the tire to beat and guys winning races were putting a new one on at least every 2-3 weeks and maybe more often if they cut one.

When I think about it, I have to say I've kind of changed my mind on that one. I'm just not convinced that going back to street tires is going to do much for cutting costs or increasing competition. Guys with money are still going to prefer racing on fresh rubber and there is no doubt in my mind that a tire that has 8 nights on it isn't going to hold up as well in corners as a tire that is new.

And if you want to see what kind of crushing force being pushed into that outer sidewall, sit so you can see the RF going through the corner. I remember watching Matt Koch's SS at TCS from the far right grandstand on the old quarter mile and got a clear view of his RF as he turned in and that RF was bent in half. Real eye opener how much punishment that tire takes. Now triple that with the bigger TCS and banking and speed going into the corner and maybe you can see why these cars need to be on Hoosiers.

Doesn't matter what tire is mandated, the guys with money are going to be buying new rubber more often than those without and those without are still going to be at a disadvantage. Maybe the promoters are doing some folks a favor having you on E Mods. At least it is a racing tire built for it.
 
t.nie said:
I guess I am not really understanding the attraction of street tires based on the comment "we could run the same ones all year unless we cut one." Well, if that was what you were doing, you weren't winning any races back then, either. I remember Mastercraft Avengers being the tire to beat and guys winning races were putting a new one on at least every 2-3 weeks and maybe more often if they cut one.

When I think about it, I have to say I've kind of changed my mind on that one. I'm just not convinced that going back to street tires is going to do much for cutting costs or increasing competition. Guys with money are still going to prefer racing on fresh rubber and there is no doubt in my mind that a tire that has 8 nights on it isn't going to hold up as well in corners as a tire that is new.

And if you want to see what kind of crushing force being pushed into that outer sidewall, sit so you can see the RF going through the corner. I remember watching Matt Koch's SS at TCS from the far right grandstand on the old quarter mile and got a clear view of his RF as he turned in and that RF was bent in half. Real eye opener how much punishment that tire takes. Now triple that with the bigger TCS and banking and speed going into the corner and maybe you can see why these cars need to be on Hoosiers.

Doesn't matter what tire is mandated, the guys with money are going to be buying new rubber more often than those without and those without are still going to be at a disadvantage. Maybe the promoters are doing some folks a favor having you on E Mods. At least it is a racing tire built for it.
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Congratulations to AJ on your win friday.Hey Tnie.My brother won 16 features in 04 with mostly the same tires, and we never ran a master craft.Let another driver run it and he put his master crafts on it and won with it as well.I know things are different now, but you didn't need to put new tires on every 3
weeks back then to win.My cousin won the championship in 03, and never put on new tires every 3 weeks.
 
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Refresh my memory, but was it Belle Clair? And I didn't say a fresh set of 4, but the front runners I knew were putting on a new RR every 2-3 weeks and using the old one on other corners.
 
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t.nie said:
Refresh my memory, but was it Belle Clair? And I didn't say a fresh set of 4, but the front runners I knew were putting on a new RR every 2-3 weeks and using the old one on other corners.

He won 9 or 10 at highland, and 6 or 7 at Bc. Also won at godfrey.Not sure how often the other guys put new tires on RR, but we ran the same tires a long time.Hope the class will start to grow again..
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Todd i partially agree with you on the tire deal. But here are my thoughts. Hornets run oem tires and they do ok. We ran street tires at godfrey and never blew a rt front out. When i ran godfrey i lost 3 hoosier right fronts. Its all about the tire make pressures and set up of the car. It can be done and safely in my opinion. Mastercraft tires are the best tires suited for street stock racing. Last long and can take sidewall abuse. But i get what your saying as well. Just i think personally we need to downgrade the class a whole just a little bit and slow things down. Slower but side by side racing equals a good crowd reaction. Aj put on a great show friday night and congrats to him as well. Track was nasty slick and he did a great job. Bob Wente did this to the class years ago and it really did help car count and im afraid if something isnt done soon we wont have to worry about it as they will be gone. Tried to save the sportsman class and people had their attitudes like nothing was wrong and everything was ok. Well class is all but gone and this one will be too soon if something isnt done. 10-13 cars showing up doesnt support their purse as a whole. I like the class but i feel as people who think all is good is actually what will ruin it as they think nothing needs to be done
 
This is just jmo, but i would like to see it go back to street tires, stock shocks, basic engines 305/327/350 and ford guys 289/302/351w where you can go to auto zone , o'reilly so on and get a basic rebuild kit for about 150.00. Regular pump gas , i think the rules for intake,carb,headers, are ok . Cams should be let the old rv type cam. The racing was way more competitive and the biggest thing more fun. The way the are going now to me is there getting to be like the the old sportmans/street stock class. Instead of being the like the old bomber class it should be. And if they did and actually teched the cars it would stay that way as long as the promoters stand there ground as say this is the rules were not changing it to suit you. Once jmo
 
I looked at highlands rules and the rules say emods OR pasenger tires. I looked on tri city's website and its emods only. I couldn't find belle Clair's rules on street stock tires So I will put my money where my mouth s and give 20 bucks to the highest running STREET stock on STREET at highland speedway for the remainder of the 2016 season. I hope they lap the field. All 4 tires must be street tires.
Adam Koch.
 
As far as the series and not getting guys to run it because they would want to stay at their home track if you make it affordable to travel which I mean make the payout good all through the field and work with other tracks so, they don't run that class the night another track is running the series it could work. A title sponsor is what would be needed in order to make this work.

Don't think for a minute this could not become a reality because it can. You just have to have people willing to put in the hard work to convienve drivers and track owners and sponsors this could be good for everyone. More times then not I have seen this cclass put on the best show of the night.
 
I think a small series example to look at is the Iowa state dirt trucks. Pretty much a stock car class where everyone's stuffs about the same. It's not a bomber class but still stock cars
 
Todd, no disrespect intended, but not all of the front runners were on a new right rear tire every 2-3 weeks back then. Even some of the ones whom you have mentioned in this thread. In '04 when Tim won 9 or 10 ot Highland like Tom said, I won most of the rest, and never bought a new tire unless I cut one down. And I really don't know how the front runners whom you knew were using an old RR on another corner and getting the stagger that they needed. That being said, I loved the Bomber/Street Stock class and still do. I have run the class pre-EMod and on EMods. I truely believe that the racing was much better on street tires, but I also realize that changing the tire rule isn't going to fix everything either.
 
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I looked at highlands rules and the rules say emods OR pasenger tires. I looked on tri city's website and its emods only. I couldn't find belle Clair's rules on street stock tires So I will put my money where my mouth s and give 20 bucks to the highest running STREET stock on STREET at highland speedway for the remainder of the 2016 season. I hope they lap the field. All 4 tires must be street tires.
Adam Koch.
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The only guy not running Hoosiers at highland is Cody in the 415 car and be runs Goodyear eagles and he does very well for the most part
 
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The only guy not running Hoosiers at highland is Cody in the 415 car and be runs Goodyear eagles and he does very well for the most part
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But those Goodyear Eagles are not street tires. They are the racing tires that were allowed in a few years ago.
 
When we were on street tires you never knew who was going to win out of about ten of us. Maby we just had more good cars and driver then idk but the racing sure seemed better. I do like how imca checks everything down to even the frame.
 
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